To not give a fuck about yeast spread costing a few more pennies when there are pensioners that have lost 30% of their pension

[jdoe8]

Even if the spread went up, its only pennies a week. This is all noise and distracting from the real issues.

Pensioners abroad have seen their pension be cut by 30% since the vote. 30 fucking percent that is no small amount and will negatively impact millions!

[mollie123]

could not 'would'

[mollie123]

These 'poor' pensioners do not pay TAX on their pensions
They return to Britain if they need medical attention or the NHS re-imburses the EU country where they live.
I assume they were of sound mind when they emigrated (they are emigrants NOT ex-pats)
Why should they get away with the whinging? (if the £ was strong they would not be moaning. )
Their pensions have been uplifted in line with inflation in this country - when they probably live somewhere where cost of living is much cheaper.
They would always return to this country and start paying tax like the rest of us pensioners who are domiciled here.

[PaulDacreCuntyMcCuntFace]

Sorry I am struggling to have much sympathy. Yes there are going to be pensioners living abroad who moved on the basis of a strong pound, meaning that they could take advantage of a cheaper cost of living and have a better standard of retirement as a result. But it's not guaranteed and currencies go up and down. Them's the breaks and if your standard of living is so dependent on currency fluctuation that it will make the difference as to whether you can keep a roof over your head or not, then your retirement was never secure in the first place and you should have been more realistic when planning a move abroad.

I do have first hand knowledge of this - and have seen so many people who seem to leave their brains in their suitcases when they emigrate. There are so many common mistakes - from assuming it will be a permanent holiday and ignoring the fact that real life continues even when you are abroad and things like medical insurance are a necessity, to assuming that the exchange rate will never vary and that they will always be able to afford to get more for their money abroad.

That's not to say that I don't have a bit of sympathy - but you'll have to forgive me if I decide to reserve it for a generation of people most of whom will NEVER have a final salary pension. Who will NEVER own their own home - let alone planning to sell it and take the profit and retire abroad. Who will HAVE to work until they are into their late 70s, rather than retiring at 55 on a guaranteed index linked income until they die.

[birdybirdywoofwoof]

You're out of touch tbf, the economy is on a crash course, we're all going to suffer, my priorities aren't with the baby boomers on the costa del sol.

[jdoe8]

I think some people are terribly out of touch. Pensioners living abroad are not all wealthy expats. Many sold up as it was more cost effective to be somewhere warm with all the money they would save on heating - it's much better being broke somewhere warm.

[QueenJuggler]

Kondo that's OK, tea is an emotive subject!

scaryteacher - that is amazing that it's grown in the UK, but OMG, I would have to seriously reduce my tea intake at that price.

[expatinscotland]

I'd hate to leave, but this isn't looking good, tbh.

[KondosSecretJunkRoom]

That's ok Queen, thanks, I may have over-reacted a tad

[KondosSecretJunkRoom]

£4.15 for 10 tea bags?

Shit's going to get real.

[scaryteacher]

Ego In other words, if you are abroad, you don't pay income tax Yes you do. I'm about to do the UK returns.

Fyi, tea is grown in Cornwall on the Tregothnan Estate tregothnan.co.uk

[weegiemum]

Bizzarely, with dh NHS pension and mine being f-all, and us living g in Scotland, it might actually be cheaper for us to live in Spain! Without the heating bills (we've actually looked into this!). I'd need to be assured of a moderately expensive health treatment out there. Even considering dh retiring early (around 60) and him working as a GP in some of the urbanisations on the Costa del sol.
But it's a bit ridiculous that a very-much-in-need-Scottish-riral-gp would be thinking, even with brexit, about moving. He's a German citizen with the right to Irish nationality while being born British. We're looking into the German thing for our dc rihht now.
I'm VERY Scottish and I'd hate to leave. Dh has lived here longer than he did in NI and Glasgow is home, plus we own a dream home in the Outer Hebrides. But Brexit has changed things. For the first time, we're thinking somewhere like Italy, or Spain (I speak Spanish) is possibly an option.

And we both HATE Marmite!

[birdybirdywoofwoof]

I think it's safe to say that the majority couldn't give a shit

I don't think that's entirely true. I think its deeply shit that our country is slowly going to the dogs. Wait until the car manufacturers leave and the financial services industry is squeezed...Things are likely to get really fecking hard. But that was the choice made, and brexitters at least have the consolation that they got control back.

[Idliketobeabutterfly]

Perhaps because some pensioners are better off financially that some families that work.

[LadyPenelope68]

They shouldn't even be allowed to claim their pension if they are living abroad. They've chosen to leave Britain then they aren't entitled to a British benefit IMO. As for them coming over for medical treatment, don't even get me started on that.

[user1470041360]

I think it's safe to say that the majority couldn't give a shit

[Chippednailvarnishing]

For some reason op you remind me of the poster who was upset about Morrisons offering a student discount when there are "starving pensioners" all over Britain.

That was bollocks too.

[harderandharder2breathe]

No sympathy for pensioners who can afford to live abroad. The risk of moving to another country if your income is in a different currency is that the value of it will fluctuate. Working people are usually paid in the currency of the country they live in, so while it's value back home fluctuates, their income and expenses are valued the same,

Anyone who was an adult in ww2 would now be well into their 90s. Not the sixty/seventy something baby boomers who are generally the ones who are affected

[rookiemere]

By the time I retire (I'm 46) I very much doubt there will be a state pension. Or an NHS in the form we know it now. Lord knows how things will be when DS gets to retirement age.

It angers me greatly that pensions and pensioners seem to have their benefits and funds protected, whilst all around them funding is cut from vital areas and we all know there is not enough provision for the pensions of the future.

I'd like to see the government or any political party, start facing up to the fact that we have to make hard decisions about these matters now as the sooner we do then the more time we have to make necessary changes.

So no I'm not too bothered by those pensioners that chose to live abroad. Or Marmite actually , or indeed pot noodles.

[QueenJuggler]

Once buying less doesn't work when you have growing children - they can't make do and mend clothes that don't fit anymore. Yes, eventually clothes will get passed down - but that requires better manufacturing quality than we currently get, which will again cost money.

I wouldn't bet on loads more jobs either. Many manufacturing jobs can be automated and are in many countries/industries. They just don't bother in the developing world because labour is cheaper than technology out there. So you'll end up with the unenviable position of not many more jobs, and vastly increased prices.

[OnceThereWasThisGirlWho]

1950sMum It's not just marmite though. It's pot noodle too

As a lighthearted aside gallows humour I wonder if we will have a series of random shortages due to people panic buying whatever the papers suggest is next? Then people with cellars full of Marmite, pot noodles etc they are quietly trying to get rid of for years...

[QueenJuggler]

Kondo I know you were joking, I was joking too. Classic example of tone not transferring on the internet. Apologies if you thought I was taking the piss.

It would be nice if we could grow tea in Yorkshire though...

[expatinscotland]

What jobs? Subsistence ones that don't pay enough to live. Get a clue, we don't have widgets to sell that the global market wants and needs to buy. We sold all our industry off.

[TheSnorkMaidenReturns]

"my marmite is bloody but unbowed"

So is mine and long may it remain.

[RufusTheSpartacusReindeer]

And i agree with ego

I was trying to find a nice way of saying that but gave up

[OnceThereWasThisGirlWho]

Queen I'm aware of the slave labour in garment factories in Bangladesh and other places, yes. But we don't need tons of cheap clothes, we just need some clothes.

many things wouldn't cost a little bit more if they were manufactured here, they would cost a lot more.

Yes, but even if it cost many times the Primark et al price to buy stuff, we'd just need to buy less stuff. And have a culture of second hand for rapidly growing children.

...you can't isolate yourself fully from global manufacturing. I didn't suggest we could. Just that we could depend on it less. I'm pretty sure we don't have even a fraction of the land needed to be self suffient, unfortunately...

...many people in the UK cannot manage on what little they have, and certainly wouldn't be able to cope if the cost of school uniform, for example, quadrupled overnight.

Wouldn't this be balanced out by having more jobs?