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Our bank account has been cleared out

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lougle · 04/06/2016 22:32

Today my DH said 'why do we have no money??'
I told him not to be so ridiculous, because we have been working really hard to save money and build up a buffer in our account. So I looked at our bank account: available balance £14.

Someone has used almost £2000 on Next and Foot Asylum purchases, with a pizza and a dessert order thrown in Angry.

The irony is that I never buy from Next because we can't afford for me to buy new clothes. I only ever buy from charity shops or (very rarely) Primark. So the fraud claim is very easy to prove. That and the fact that the man on the phone from the bank had to tell me what Foot Asylum is Grin.

The transactions were all in the last day or so, and were all made using DH's card. We also had a letter today from Next, addressed to a man we've never heard of, thanking him for advising them if his change of address. So Next have given us a fraud case ID number and have put a block on account applications from our address. The bank fraud team will contact us tomorrow.

How gutting. We're lucky that DD1's DLA gets paid into a different account, so we can use that for a few days and reimburse it when we get reimbursed by the bank. If it got paid into the same account we'd be absolutely done for.

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MariposaUno · 05/06/2016 11:39

Glad it's getting sorted for you, I always keep as little as possible in my main account as mn has made me paranoid about fraud and card cloning is extremely common now.

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BeyondTellsEveryoneRealFacts · 05/06/2016 11:53

Shit lougle :(

Luckily when it happened to us it wasnt anywhere near that much, though it has happened a couple of times!! The bank should be able to put it back quite quickly - then they'll send out a form for you to sign saying it was fraudulent activity, (so they can prosecute if they investigate and its proved to be you) mine was back in my account in a matter of hours

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Bogeyface · 05/06/2016 11:53

Mariposa I do the same.

I bank with Halifax and set up an instant saver account online. After the bills have been paid all the money goes into the instant saver and then whatever I need to pay for something I transfer back into the debit card account it takes seconds. The saver has no card for it so cant be cloned. I also have a natwest account which I use for online purchases, there is never more than £5 in it, I just transfer money in when I need to pay for something.

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MummyBex1985 · 05/06/2016 11:54

Happened to me too. £2,000 stolen and not sure where it went but the narratives related to 14 separate car insurance payments Hmm

The bank refunded it the next day and then sent a declaration form out that I had to sign. It was obvious fraud as the payments were from another country. PITA though.

Hope you get it sorted!

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RaspberryOverload · 05/06/2016 11:57

I had some fraud on the cc a few years ago, luckily my bank paid up. I was asked if I could prove I hadn't been spending in Cyprus!

Easy, my passport had expired and I hadn't renewed it (still haven't, must get on and do it). So obviously I couldn't have been spending in person.

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TheRollingCrone · 05/06/2016 12:19

Oh lougle what a horrible thing! I hope it's sorted quickly for you.

I,m shocked reading how many of you this has happened to.

I remember reading a thread here a while back, and a poster said her DH was an IT person advising banks on Internet security etc, and she said how he/they never banked online as it just isn't safe Shock

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vikingorigins · 05/06/2016 12:30

About 8 years ago DS had his card cloned at the petrol station nearest to his school (6th form). AIR he had quite a hard time getting it back, even though the transactions were in some 3rd world country and he could prove he was sitting at his desk in the UK studying for A levels at the time.

We were also victims of what we believe was internal fraud. We had a bank loan from our main bank and the money was put straight into our account. Within a day or so I noticed some small amounts to Thomas Cook then a payment of some £600 (a lot in those days). Thomas Cook were more helpful than the bank while we were trying to sort it out.

The bank never would tell us what happened but said that somebody in Manchester "thought [we'd] bought them a holiday" Confused. We lived on the Kent coast and couldn't afford a holiday. WTF we'd be buying one for total strangers I don't know.

Had we not had the loan paid into the account there wouldn't have been any funds for them to take as we were always up to our OD limit, which is why I remain convinced it was someone in the bank.

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londonrach · 05/06/2016 12:33

My mil had her card cloned at john lewis a few years ago. 2 minutes later she was in jl cafe enjoying a scone and cup of tea whilst someone was in long tall sally spending a £1000. She got phoned whilst in the jl cafe by her card provider who had to explain what long tall sally was. Complained to jl but she never heard anything more. All the money returned!

Hope you get it sorted op. Makes you super aware.

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liletsthepink · 05/06/2016 12:36

I've refused to do any online banking until they can reassure me that it is 100% secure. I don't believe it is safe. I only bank by phone or in a branch and I'm choosy about which cash points and petrol stations I use. I am not a suspicious person in general but I think it pays to be careful around banking and card use.

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charliedontsurf · 05/06/2016 12:44

I checked my account a few days ago and there'd been a $180 transaction for a PayPal account that I don't remember making. Phoned bank (First Direct) and asked them what it was, they could only tell me it was an online retailer but said I could have the money back straight away and they'd contact the merchant to query it! I still don't know if it was fraud or if I've just bought something online that I've forgotten about Grin

Had my details stolen years ago too, Alliance & Leicester this time. Someone used it in France for £1 to test if it would work and so the bank blocked it away and phoned me to ask if I was on holiday. Sadly I was in a supermarket in my home town!

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AnnieOnnieMouse · 05/06/2016 12:48

I don't think online banking has much to do with it. Card fraud , afaik, almost always happens as a result of a dodgy person on a till cloning the card, usually at a petrol station. It happened to DH a few years ago - first we knew of it was a phonecall from the cc company. The guy had been clothes shopping, bought some electronics, snacks, and gone to the cinema. They cancelled all the big ticket changes immediately, then the smaller ones once we'd had a chance to go through the statement carefully.

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Chewbecca · 05/06/2016 13:05

I've never heard of anyone being defrauded via online banking - has anyone?

All the cases I hear are either cards being cloned, mostly in independent petrol garages, or via fake accounts being applied for/set up in your name.

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pinkunicornsarefluffy · 05/06/2016 13:08

Lougle I hope that the bank sort this out quickly for you.

My credit card had fraudulent transactions on it after I spent a weekend in London many years ago. I only used my card in Madam Tussauds and Harrods buying the cheapest thing I could find that had Harrods on it Grin, but obviously the details were written down by somebody.

The purchases were all for cinema tickets or concert tickets, like V and Glastonbury. I reported it to the police at the request of the CC company and then got all the money refunded. The CC were happy that it was all fraudulent as they had delivery addresses for all the tickets and they were all in London, which is nowhere near where I live.

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NEScribe · 05/06/2016 13:16

So sorry about your fraud :(
FWIW, We now have verified by Visa on both my business (Barclays) and our personal (RBS) accounts.
If I buy anything online, after entering my 3 digit code from back of card, it transfers me to a Verify screen and I have to enter 4 digits from my 6 digit security number.
It's a pain at times but given the level of fraud out there, I don't understand why all banks don't now insist on it.
I guess fraud still happens but hopefully it makes it harder for them since they can't just use the number from back of your card.
Talking of card security, I was in a shop yesterday (£12) and assistant asked for my card - she just passed it over the terminal - without asking!! and it spat out a receipt.
I do not trust this new simple swipe thing for small purchases and have never used it because I figured if my card ever showed a non-existent purchase, I could point to the fact that I never use the swipe option without a pin.
Anyone know if I am right in thinking shops have to ask your permission to do it this way before actually doing it?

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MiracletoCome · 05/06/2016 13:16

I have had fraud twice on a credit card. 1st time I bought something online and just afterwards someone was trying to buy mobile phones, I'm sure it was an internal fraud as it happened so soon after. The credit card company alerted me to it and i don't think the fraudulent transactions went through.

The 2nd time was with a credit card I hadn't used for ages and an attempt was made too buy things in the US, again the credit card company alerted me to it and stopped the transaction. They also told me that my card could has been compromised ages ago and sometimes they wait to use it.

Once I couldn't make a payment and I had to ring up the World Pay thing which is sometimes the 2nd layer of security when you buy things and they asked me loads of security questions as they said that the amount of fraud that goes on is unbelievable.

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LunaLoveg00d · 05/06/2016 13:26

We have had a few instances of this too. We took out a new 0% credit card to buy flights to the US and were immediately called by the issuer to ask if it was a genuine transaction.

More recently someone used our credit card number to try to buy £500 worth of soft furnishings from M&S. Assuming it was in a store far from us as again we got the call. Husband asked the credit card issuer how these people obtained the details and they said it could either be dodgy people in retailers swiping cards through skimmers to take the details off when you pay (less likely), or more likely a corrupt member of staff in a call centre somewhere. They just write down as many numbers and three digit security codes as they can, then the crooks use software to load those details onto blank cards.

Does seem though that the credit card companies in particular are getting good at picking up abnormal patterns of spending and calling customers. Hope OP gets her bank account sorted.

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StUmbrageinSkelt · 05/06/2016 13:43

We had AUD 9000 of flights to India charged to our creditcard. It was using DH's card and nothing flagged up on the ANZ fraud system. When I rang to ask WTF they were insistent I check where DH was as why was I so sure he wasn't in India? Because he was in the kitchen making coffee, you muppets.

Took weeks to sort out and as there were many transactions I'm not convinced we got it all back. They were arses.

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MiracletoCome · 05/06/2016 14:19

And remember if you do get a call or more commonly now, a text about fraud always ring them yourself using the no. on the credit card /bank statement, using a different phone if at all possible or leave it a bit before ringing back as they could be fraudsters pretending to be the bank people.

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Bolograph · 05/06/2016 14:26

I do not trust this new simple swipe thing for small purchases and have never used it because I figured if my card ever showed a non-existent purchase, I could point to the fact that I never use the swipe option without a pin.

Conversely, if you don't trust the shop, giving them your PIN isn't the smartest move, because building a cloned card which will work in an overseas cashpoint machine is made much easier if you have the PIN.

One of the reasons why contactless has such low levels of fraud (less than £100k in total since the scheme was set up) and isn't a victor for further fraud is precisely because it reduces the number of occasions when people type their PIN; without the PIN, an attacker is limited to £30 on transaction carried out face-to-face in a shop: it would be easier, safer (in terms of any ensuing prosecution) and less hassle to just shoplift thirty quid's worth of goods instead.

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MsAdorabelleDearheartVonLipwig · 05/06/2016 15:09

Happened to dh a couple of years ago. The first we knew was Lloyds ringing to ask if we'd bought ferry tickets to Denmark, train tickets in Norfolk and Orange phone too-up's. Nope, definitely not us! We didn't even use Orange. They cancelled everything pending and refunded everything already gone out. They were great. They thought the card might have been copied online though, dh never goes anywhere to use his card.

I've been shopping all over the Internet for years and its never happened to me.

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lougle · 05/06/2016 15:40

ReginaBlitz, no I didn't contribute to the bank balance thread and was quite Shock at the detail people were going into. It didn't save me though, did it? Hmm

So the bank now think that DH's card wasn't cloned, but that somehow they've got the details online. We use Norton 360 and have Verified by Visa, so in theory we should be protected, however, the plot thickens.

I spoke to the fraud Dept this morning, who say that they will stop the £282 in-authorisation claims leaving the account overnight and will refund the £1684 processed transactions tomorrow. Then they will send out a declaration, as other posters say, for us to sign. DH's card was cancelled yesterday and a new one ordered. New PIN also in progress. So far so good.

About 30 minutes later, the fraud Dept phoned back to speak to DH. DH has history with our bank in that he is notorious for mucking up the security checks and getting blocked. Then I have to phone and explain that he has locked us out of our account, much hilarity ensues, I pass a billion extra security checks and they reset it. So much so that only I phone the bank now. It's easier all around. So DH hasn't phoned the bank in probably 2 years.

Anyway, the fraud lady said 'When you phoned yesterday about your account, you had some trouble getting access'. DH said 'No, DW spoke to a man who took all the details and it was fine.' She said 'No, when you phoned, you had trouble...' DH said 'But I didn't phone you.' She said 'Or records show that you phoned yesterday afternoon.' DH said 'Well we did, my wife did. But I didn't....'

It turns out that 'DH' phoned the bank and knew his memorable name (which is used in Verified by Visa, incidentally), but then failed all the other security checks, so was passed to branch level, where he failed further checks so wasn't allowed access. This must have been just before we discovered our empty account!

Sorry to all who have been through this. It isn't pleasant.

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notamummy10 · 05/06/2016 16:22

I hope it gets sorted soon!!

On a different note, whenever I top-up my Starbucks Rewards card through the app, my card always gets blocked. Angry

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Bolograph · 05/06/2016 16:51

It turns out that 'DH' phoned the bank and knew his memorable name

"Memorable names" are just passwords. Generate random words and write them down.

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lougle · 05/06/2016 17:04

True

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Quills · 05/06/2016 17:20

I would suspect some kind of keylogger on your PC then, OP. Download MalwareBytes (free) and run that, see if anything turns up.

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