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To think I can stay living next door to this neighbour?

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hooliodancer · 13/05/2016 16:49

I will try to keep the story brief.

We have lived in our house for nearly 20 years. We have a tiny back garden- 12 feet wide.

New neighbours bought next door and said our garden was too wide by 8 inches. They wanted this 8 inch wide strip 'back'. They were planning an extension.

We did lots of research and told them that as we had had possession of this strip for so long it was ours, and it was difficult to prove either way, as Land Registry plans state they cannot be used to determine the boundary. After months of him threatening us with legal action ( delaying his extension because we wouldn't give in to him), sending threatening emails daily, awful pressure we said we would split the 8 inches with him. Our solicitor told us that we would be likely to win the case in court, but that a judge would probably not award us costs as they hate boundary disputes over such as small piece of land. Which seems very unfair to me. He said it could cost us 30k.

So we agreed he could build his wall 4 inches in from where the boundary was. This involved destroying a garden border filled with beautiful climbing plants. We thought we would be compensated for this, but he decided not to get a party wall agreement- which would have protected our interests. The only way we could have forced him to issue a party wall notice was to get an injunction. Again we were warned off doing this, as our 'loss' would have been minimal.

We agreed he would compensate us for the plants. He is now refusing to pay us, because I called him a bully! I feel we need to claim this money from him in the small claims court, but that drags it out even more. But if we don't, we will be out of pocket as well as having lost part of our garden.

He has bullied and harassed us for months. His 9 metre wide extension is 4 inches wider than it would have been, and I have lost my beloved plants. He lies to us. He now ignores our emails. He used to email us saying "if you don't reply by the end of today I will do x y z".

The layout of our gardens is complicated, but basically we cannot fence ourselves off from him. We will see him every day. He is having bi fold doors right up to the back boundary, and not putting a fence in front of them. We will be able to see him all the time!

Will I be able to stay here? Hate is not strong enough for how I feel. He has made me ill, my partner and I have had huge arguments, it's just been awful. The neighbour hates us, he seems to think we have wronged him in some way. The atmosphere is dreadful.

I love my house, and can't really afford to move, but am I kidding myself to think it will be possible to stay? The build is happening at the moment, will it be better when it's done? Thanks for reading the essay. Has anyone been through anything similar?

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JinRamen · 13/05/2016 18:24

I also don't see how hew I'll use the doors if it steps onto your property?

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sonjadog · 13/05/2016 18:34

I would take him to court, seriously. It will be stressful, but if you don't take a stand then his bullying and behaviour will annoy you for ever more. I would need to take that fight for my own peace of mind.

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KirstyJC · 13/05/2016 18:36

Can you put up some trellis with a banner saying 'I'm a bullying cunt' facing his bifold doors?

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LillianGish · 13/05/2016 18:36

FIrst of all I really sympathise with you. He sounds awful and how soul destroying to have to dig up much-loved plants (I say that as a keen gardener myself) I'm guessing he has acted within the law - presumably a council planning inspector can confirm this? That being the case, in your shoes I would take a deep breath and think about what you can do to put your garden back together so it is beautiful for you - never mind pissing him off (though if it obstruct his view so much the better). You had climbing plants there before so you must be able to have them there again, but four inches closer. You say you love your house so focus on that - channel your energy into your garden (there is nothing more therapeutic and I envy you that however small it may be as I now live in the middle of a city with no garden!) Don't waste anymore time on this man. In the fullness of time you may decide to move - or he may move - don't do it now with the building work in progress and the fact that you might have to declare a dispute with neighbour to a prospective buyer. FInally, I am a great believer in Karma - I haven't been in exactly the same situation as you, but I did have a really unreasonable landlord (too tedious to go into here) a few months after we left thousands of gallons of water poured through his house from a crack in the toilet cistern bringing the ceiling down on the ground floor. It was noone's fault, but it couldn't have happened to a nicer man! Flowers Flowers Flowers to start you off with your new planting scheme.

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limitedperiodonly · 13/05/2016 18:41

Will I be able to stay here? Hate is not strong enough for how I feel. He has made me ill, my partner and I have had huge arguments, it's just been awful. The neighbour hates us, he seems to think we have wronged him in some way. The atmosphere is dreadful.


I have no advice but every sympathy with you. We had a dispute with a neighbour that lasted four years. Happily we won and she ended up moving. But we spoke about that cunt for at least an hour every single day. There was one weekend where we thought that if she won we'd have not only had to move, we'd have had to give a huge chunk of our property to her.

It ended up in a tribunal, not a court, where the costs were much lower, but still not cheap.

But I understand everything you said in that excerpt. It seems impossible that someone can do this to you but they can. There is nothing I can say to you except this Flowers.

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EarthboundMisfit · 13/05/2016 18:52

No advice, but I am so sorry. He sounds absolutely vile. Flowers

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WriteforFun1 · 13/05/2016 18:56

hoolio, how much money are we talking - well, I understand if you'd rather not say.

if you can let go of it, I would. I think you've been through so much stress and you might need to save your energy for moving if you find the extension too intrusive.

I don't know why those garden gnomes exist but a good use of them would be to have them facing directly into his extension. He sounds really horrible. I would also put up whatever fencing/trellis type stuff is allowed, in order to block his view. You then place the gnomes outside of that if you see what I mean Grin

I thought planning regs were lax enough to start with. It is awful that you should have to go through all this because the cost of a case is prohibitive, but equally awful that people can just do all this and cause this disruption.

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WutheringTights · 13/05/2016 19:05

Who is the restrictive covenant with! You might be able to buy it out (we did with our old house) or it might be that no one will ever try to enforce it anyway. Then you can have a lovely big fence!

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whathavewedonenow99 · 13/05/2016 19:08

I don't understand how he can have bi-fold doors on the extension at the boundary - how is he going to use them? I think we need a diagram!

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winewolfhowls · 13/05/2016 19:20

What a Dick I really feel for you. Those bi fold doors are expensive, shame if they got smashed while he was out (I probably wouldn't do this but I would dream of it)

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ChipsandGuac · 13/05/2016 19:29

I want a diagram too!

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FeralBeryl · 13/05/2016 19:34

Oh you poor thing!
I second the fast growing bamboo, it will more than disguise the horrible bastard, and also hopefully create lots of shade into the area behind his new doors.

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superram · 13/05/2016 19:41

We paid for a party wall agreement and our neighbours are still threatening us -it was a waste of money. Police are not interested in the threats to tear down our loft and extension as it is a civil matter and we can't afford an injunction. I have a lot of ill will and wish bad things upon them but ultimately I just ignore them because I have my health and by being upset I am letting them win. Continuing to enjoy your home would be the best revenge, the plants are only money (galling I know but don't let them win).

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WutheringTights · 13/05/2016 19:50

Don't use bamboo unless the bed it's in has patio on all sides. It spreads like buggery and you'll end up with pointy shards sticking up all over your garden when you cut it down so that your children can't use the garden.

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mistlethrush · 13/05/2016 20:05

You don't have to use bamboo - there are plenty of other alternatives that would provide good screening quite quickly. They could be evergreen too. Even a privet hedge would grow quickly, and provide a really nice background for your plants if you kept it trimmed regularly.

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ModernToss · 13/05/2016 21:24

Absolute sympathy from me too. I came home from town one day to find pneumatic drills digging up the end three or four metres of our driveway (it runs across the front of the house, parallel to it). The new neighbour had decided that he'd like to be able to park two cars lengthways. We could have taken legal action and would have won, but the costs were just staggering and he is filthy rich. In a war of attrition, it would have been a hollow victory. He then decided not to plant the trees he'd promised to give us back some of the privacy he'd taken away - because I had had the audacity to raise the issue with the local (Swiss) planning department.

Now I just wince when I walk past his two cars, and then forget about it; it's not worth the mental struggle. I hate it when bullies win though.

We may yet have the last laugh - he doesn't have much garden, and his enormo-shed is far too close to our boundary. Sadly, there is nowhere else he could put it. I think we'll mention this to the planning department when we've sold our house.

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ElectroStallion · 13/05/2016 21:55

Plant leylandii slap bang in front of his bifold doors.

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ElectroStallion · 13/05/2016 21:59

Or you could just sit in your garden, and stare at him inside his extension. Sit there with a pair of binoculars, and just watch him all day. He will soon get fed up and put up a screening.

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Muddlewitch · 13/05/2016 22:21

I would find out if there is any way around the covenant first and if so obviously get a big fence.

If not, get some fast growing bamboo or climbers for that area, and then concentrate on what else you can do in your garden to make it a lovely space for you/your family so that you don't always feel it's tainted by this bully.

In terms of having to deal with him as a neighbour, I would just act as though he doesn't exist. He is a bully, don't give him any power over you.

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Muddlewitch · 13/05/2016 22:23

Or alternatively get a little family of these to look after that side of the garden...

To think I can stay living next door to this neighbour?
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thinkfast · 14/05/2016 10:51

Just a thought - could you get insurance for your legal costs? Either via your home insurance or ask a solicitor about ATE insurance (after the event)

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Summerblaze100 · 14/05/2016 12:09

We had a similar thing a few years back. We had lived in our 3 bed semi for 12 years but we're planning to have 3rd DC and as it was quite a small house we wanted an extension.

The plan was to do a car port over the drive type extension. We asked the couple attached who said it was fine as they wouldn't be able to see it anyway but the drive side neighbours kicked off big style saying it would block their light etc. Fwiw they only had an Ensuite window at that side which got way more light than our Ensuite window due to the sun but I think the main reason was that there's was a detached and it brought our house closer to theirs even though it was still a drives width away.

They objected which was fair enough but they also got our attached neighbours to object even though they agreed when we asked and their other neighbours (2 doors away), also a detached like theirs.

We went to panel and our extension was passed but I couldn't live there anymore. All 3 of them used to convene outside my living room window to slag me off and he said that he would sue if one workman stepped foot on his drive while working.

We put our for sale sign up as soon as the extension was passed. I was pleased we had won but I wouldn't have been happy there. I loved my house but fortunately things turned out for the best and we got a brilliant deal on a much bigger house and haven't looked back.

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Clutterbugsmum · 14/05/2016 12:40

I don't think planning is allowed for glass to be overlooking a neighbour's boundary. I know my mums neighbour had to replace the glass panels on their conservatory with solid material.

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