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AIBU?

To think Big Issue sellers are as bad as chuggers?

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Littlecatbigpanther · 11/03/2016 20:14

I'm sick and tired of walking down the high street and being heckled by a couple of Big Issue sellers. They are pretty much begging which I understand is illegal.

Today I phoned Big Issue and complained. I asked what checks were done on these people to see that they are homeless (they didn't look very homeless). I was told that they probably aren't homeless, in this case they were Romanians who likely house share (words of Big Issue representative not me). I asked why they are effectively begging and harassing people, was told they are self employed and allowed to operate but they will look into my complaint. Apparently you don't need a council permit to sell the Big Issue but they do have a code of conduct. Also by being self employed you get an NI number and can claim benefits.

So if you receive benefits why harass members of the public for more money? I used to like the magazine and supporting homeless, but now I'm disgusted, it's just a scam to claim benefits (hours of work for tax credits).

Aibu?

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OohMavis · 13/03/2016 10:40

I was essentially mugged by a BI seller when I was 15. I was waiting outside a train station, and was bullied into buying one. I gave him what I had on me which was £10 and he refused to give me my change. I tried to meekly argue for my money back for a while but eventually had to run to catch my train, I turned around and saw him leg it.

It was pretty traumatic at 15 years old and I've never forgotten it.

I tend not to make eye contact with BI sellers whenever I see them now, which is unfair, I know, but I wonder how many other people have been put off by buying them by 'bad' sellers in the past, like me?

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AvonleaAnne · 13/03/2016 10:23

I wonder if it varies by which part of the country you are in. I'm originally from Devon and in Exeter there are a lot of homeless people on the streets. The Big Issue sellers were definitely part of that community. I've now moved to an affluent Surrey town with no visible homelessness or begging. Here, the Big Issue sellers are not homeless. To be honest I am more likely to buy the BI back home in Exeter. Not only because they seem more genuinely to need the money but they are also funny and friendly too.

Anyone who lived in Exeter in the 90s might remember the Little Shoe, Big Issue seller! Best selling pitch ever!

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HappydaysArehere · 13/03/2016 09:52

Don't mind the Big Issue as its up to me but get annoyed when asked if I Would like to donate a pound when paying for goods in a store. I feel mean if I don't but get fed up with it. Why not a box on the side?

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leelu66 · 13/03/2016 06:25

PontyPines

As despite vast chunks of popular media being resolute in both xenophobia and benefit bashing, such views can't be aired without censorship. Apparently. Oh, and pointing out bigotry is "silencing".

Exactly what I wanted to say.

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TattieHowkerz · 12/03/2016 05:54

Well it depends what you mean. If they are following you along the street pestering you that's obviously not OK. If they are just asking if you want to buy a copy I don't see the problem.

We have a couple of local sellers who are Romanian. They are both lovely and polite, just stand and say hello and do helpful things like help frail older people, lift prams up steps etc. One found a purse full of money and went to an effort to get it back to the owner a couple of weeks ago. They are not on the streets homeless, but they live in very overcrowded conditions (they are local). I only buy from them very rarely (like once a year) as there is someone else I buy from if I want a copy, but they are always nice and friendly and don't pester me or anyone else. They are part of our community. They often get mentions for their helpfulness on our community website, hence all, the above info.

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BastardGoDarkly · 12/03/2016 05:50

Top and bottom is, they shouldn't be hounding people.

I've never been 'hounded' by a BI seller, but I certainly have by the chuggas.

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Dieu · 12/03/2016 05:22

I have no problem with BI sellers, but more often than not (in my experience anyway) they look at you as if to say 'oh, you do actually want your change?' This I find a bit annoying and uncomfortable.

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heron98 · 12/03/2016 05:14

My next door neighbour sells the big issue. He's not homeless (clearly) but has been in prison, has MH issues and can't get another job. I think it's good he's doing something positive.

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IPityThePontipines · 12/03/2016 01:53

What a horrible thread.

Yep. There's a lot of this sort of thing on here at the moment, particularly accompanied by the crappy striking out that you've seen upthread.

As despite vast chunks of popular media being resolute in both xenophobia and benefit bashing, such views can't be aired without censorship. Apparently. Oh, and pointing out bigotry is "silencing". Hmm

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aliphil · 12/03/2016 01:42

I have had grief from two or three BI sellers in the past - shouted and sworn at when I said "no thank you", that kind of thing. But it's a minority IME. Near where I used to work there was a lovely man selling it who I used to chat with, and I went on buying it from him because he was so nice. But I think at some point during that job the BI changed quite a lot and I didn't enjoy reading it any more, so I stopped buying once I left.

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FirstWeTakeManhattan · 12/03/2016 00:14

I've found that some Big Issue sellers are bloody annoying, have a go if you don't buy, make me feel crap even though I've already bought one that week etc. Others are really nice people who I enjoy a chat with.

So yep. They're all different. Like everyone else basically.

There's some barely-disguised bigotry on this thread which I find bloody disgraceful.

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Vintage45 · 12/03/2016 00:04

A few years ago i used to see blokes selling this for £1 in a very inoffensive way.

Then a year ago I saw women selling it for £2, I knew they were Romanian because they stated it when calling out for a sale.

Now I don't see it.

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jeremyisahunt · 11/03/2016 23:52

What's wrong with claiming benefits if you're entitled to them?

Confused

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MargotFenring · 11/03/2016 23:18

Define 'live' OP.

The Big Issue provides a self employment possibility. It is not designed as a hand out for homeless.

There are good and bad sellers, but mostly good. Like in anything. The minority ruin it for the majority.

You are judgey and set your own standards on how badly off someone should be before they are allowed to stand in the street and attempt to sell you a magazine.

Good on you.

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leelu66 · 11/03/2016 23:16

TerribleKnitter

Thing is if I mentioned the fact that he isn't English I would be flamed for immigrant bashing...

Wtf does adding 'he isn't English' add to your post?

It's irrelevant so you've revealed your agenda clearly.

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Slowtrain2dawn · 11/03/2016 22:39

No, they should not hound anyone, that is against the big issue policy so you were right to report it.
I have known lots of big issue sellers through my work in homelessness, usually they do it because it is the only way they can actually earn money, rather than rely on completely on benefits. This gives them some self respect, which is hard won. Try standing on the street for hours, feeling invisible as most people ignore you- or worse insult/ spit at you/ make jokes. Big issue sellers have to deal with this every day.
Unless you have walked in their shoes.....

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Littlecatbigpanther · 11/03/2016 22:06

thisisnotausername the point is that I phoned the Big Issue and was surprised they do no checks on the sellers situation and said most of them aren't home less and receive housing and benefits. So they shouldn't really be hounding people aggressively?

I know people who use benefits to live, they don't spend their time hounding people in the street.

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PaulAnkaTheDog · 11/03/2016 22:06

You sound awful op. Your last post made sure of that!

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CatsMother66 · 11/03/2016 22:05

I live in a small town where everyone knows everybody else's business. Our Big Issue seller is Romanian and has been selling for ten years. I always bought a copy off him as I felt I was helping. He disappears now and again as he returns to Romania for a few weeks holiday. After seeing his plush phone and watching him put all his pound coins in the bandit of the local betting shop I decided that maybe he doesn't need my money after all. I have stopped buying off him and each time I walk past he mutters things which make me uncomfortable. I'm all for helping people but would rather the Big Issue was used for people who really need it.

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Littlecatbigpanther · 11/03/2016 22:02

A horrible thread because I don't think people who are housed and fed should be begging and hounding people minding their own business on the street? Er ok then! Maybe I'll start hard selling stuff in the street then, hounding passers by, no harm in that Hmm

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Thisisnotausername · 11/03/2016 21:53

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WhyCantIuseTheNameIWant · 11/03/2016 21:52

I thought anybody classed as 'vulnerably housed' or 'homeless' could sell them? Or has that changed?

We went to alderly edge the other day. As never been before. Hoping to find some posh bargains in the charity shops!

Got harassed repeatedly by the same seller. Please lady. Please buy issue. Pretty lady buy issue? Please pretty lady... Even when the toddler had clearly had enough and was ranting to the world!

Went to another local city. Big issue seller was an absolute gent. Have seen him a few times over the years. Went and said hi to him. Told him I had no cash (true) and gave him my drink. He gave me a hug and we both carried on our days.

In the next 100 yards, I had my personal space invaded by...

Please buy this book of crap jokes for kids cancer
Spare change for homeless soldiers?
Spare change for disabled kids?
Buy a sticker for local animal shelter?
Watch tower for Jehovah's witnesses
And a ppi thing...

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jeanswithatwist · 11/03/2016 21:48

I completely agree, same where i live

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Tiredemma · 11/03/2016 21:47

Our local Big Issue seller is a lovely guy- here is a local news report about him stopping a thief from stealing a shoppers purse.

Well known a our local shopping area- place wouldnt be the same without him

suttoncoldfieldlocal.co.uk/big-issue-seller-scott-detains-man-charged-with-theft-174672/

I imagine selling the Big Issue not only provides him with income but has also given him some genuine human contact. He is known to have had a terrible start in life, abuse etc. He is someone deserving of more in life

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hefzi · 11/03/2016 21:46

The Big Issue is not only available to be sold by homeless people Hmm - it's for anyone who is vulnerably housed etc also.

The issue over whether it counted as self-employment for 08 country immigrants was settled by Tony Blair's government, who decided it would indeed be: hence the reason there have been increasing numbers of 08 Accession nationals selling it. Don't blame the Big Issue for this - blame the Labour Party, if you must blame anyone.

It was started to be "a hand up, not a hand out" and BI take very seriously the issue of people who are begging, fake sellers or those who tell you their magazine is the last one/ask you to give it back. There's a lot of emphasis on the fact that customers are buying a product etc, and they will deal firmly with anyone who is violating their code of conduct in anyway: which includes using someone else's badge or selling whilst under the influence - precisely because these kind of things lead to this sort of thread/opinion. Would you rather people sat with their hands out and didn't work at all for their benefits' money, OP? (Of course, some BI sellers aren't eligible for benefits at all, because they don't have an address...)

I work in a well-known city, and increasing numbers of our BI sellers are Slovak - but you know what? Try engaging with them, instead of mubling and pushing past them: you know, treat them like people? You may well be surprised by what you find. (And for reference: I am not a bleeding heart liberal, but a dyed-in-the-wool Leave person, mainly because of the impact uncontrolled unskilled European immigration has had upon our own unskilled citizens - not to mention on wages etc) I have a good friend in my neighbourhood who started out in my life as the lady I bought the Big Issue from (she still is the lady I buy from - except now we are also friends!) - and she's even fine with me being a UKIP voter Wink

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