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Some grammar help please?

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TheHouseOnTheLane · 15/11/2015 01:09

Should the phrase below have hyphens? If yes or no, could you please explain why in idiot speak?

"In this book,Tara factors in the realities of life as a nurse with practical and easy-to-implement advice."

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Wobblystraddle · 15/11/2015 14:12

Adverbs should never be hyphenated as there can be no mistaking which other word in the noun phrase it refers to. Hyphens are for clarity in noun phrases.

You're right about my terminology, catford. In my defence, a pp used the term as I copied it cos I'm tired.

The trouble with being someone whose job is to uphold grammar, is that you inevitably make mistakes and people always point them out when you do Blush

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Pipbin · 15/11/2015 14:39

What about when you use it like this?
Being the grammar police is rather like a who-can-piss-highest-up-a-wall competition.

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MillionToOneChances · 15/11/2015 16:09

Nobody here is being the grammar police, pipbin. It's just a polite conversation about grammar, not somebody policing a thread on an unrelated topic. Hmm

At worst, this is like a lunchtime chat in the secretly-judgy grammar-nuts' canteen Grin

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MillionToOneChances · 15/11/2015 16:18

Actually, secretly-judgy grammar nuts would be clearer on the rules Grin

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TracyBarlow · 15/11/2015 17:01

Oh but I love the grammar police. I'm genuinely in awe of all the people who know all the rules on this thread. I think they're dead clever. I wish I'd listened in my English language GCSE degree

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Pipbin · 15/11/2015 17:49

That came across badly.
I didn't actually mean that about the grammar police.
What I was referring to is that way of using hyphens.

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Wobblystraddle · 15/11/2015 17:51

Million, I'm assuming that's ur use of a hyphen in the phrase 'secretly jiffy' was ironic? Wink

Pipbin , there is a difference between correcting someone's grammar unsolicited and explaining points of grammar on request.

Well done on your use of hyphens, by the way.

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Wobblystraddle · 15/11/2015 17:51

...that your...

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Wobblystraddle · 15/11/2015 17:52

Jiffy wtaf?

I'm going to give up now.

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MillionToOneChances · 15/11/2015 18:14

I'm chuckling at 'jiffy'. I can have a hyphen in secretly-judgy as it's an adjective (I think), but can't seem to decide about grammar nuts.

Sorry pipkin, I read so many anti-grammar police comments that I might be a tad defensive Blush

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WitchWay · 15/11/2015 18:22

Lots of words that used to be compounds with hyphens are just words now - try reading an old book:

"to-day", "to-night" for example

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Maryz · 15/11/2015 18:27

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DadDadDad · 15/11/2015 18:33

No, because secretly is an adverb, so as someone explained earlier no hyphen needed.

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TwistInMySobriety · 15/11/2015 19:17

Adverbs should never be hyphenated as there can be no mistaking which other word in the noun phrase it refers to

I disagree. In "a fast-flowing river" fast is an adverb but it needs hyphenating to distinguish it from the adjectival use "a fast, deep river".

And no hyphen in secretly judgy :-)

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StrawberryTeaLeaf · 15/11/2015 19:20

What about goady-fuckery? I feel quite strongly that that needs a hyphen Grin

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IrenetheQuaint · 15/11/2015 19:23

Hyphenation has changed amazingly over the last 150 years - I was reading a Victorian novel the other day which referred to 'Liverpool-street' rather than Liverpool Street.

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anothernumberone · 15/11/2015 19:40

I have to ask why in fast-flowing is the flowing not considered to be an adjective rather than fast being an adverb. Sat the sentence is the man jumped into the fast-flowing river I would consider jumped to be the verb in the sentence and fast- flowing an adjective.

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anothernumberone · 15/11/2015 19:40

Sat = say

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anothernumberone · 15/11/2015 19:41

Obviously I should have put a whole lot of commas into those sentences but hopefully you get what I am asking.

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Pipbin · 15/11/2015 19:44

So what about things like holier-than-thou attitude?

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Maryz · 15/11/2015 19:51

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clam · 15/11/2015 19:51

I would hyphenate, but I can't explain how I know!

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DadDadDad · 15/11/2015 20:13

Part of the confusion with the last few comments may be that friendly its an adjective not an adverb. It's easy to be fooled because it ends ly, but "the friendly dog" shows it's not an adverb, unlike secretly.

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Maryz · 15/11/2015 20:17

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TwistInMySobriety · 15/11/2015 20:22

Fast-flowing is a compound adjective qualifyng river, but fast is also an adverb qualifying flowing.

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