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TheHouseOnTheLane · 15/11/2015 01:09

Should the phrase below have hyphens? If yes or no, could you please explain why in idiot speak?

"In this book,Tara factors in the realities of life as a nurse with practical and easy-to-implement advice."

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Gabilan · 16/11/2015 10:28

I'd just burn the Daily Mail. Waste of time trying to edit it.

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Debbriana1 · 16/11/2015 10:19

Wobblystraddle you need to go and edit the whole of the dailymail.

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LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 16/11/2015 10:16

It sounds to me like this is for the blurb, so it's usually not more than 100 - 120 words? (ish) So I'd be editing hard, although I take your point about practical vs theoretical Gabilan.

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Gabilan · 16/11/2015 10:10

In the context of nursing, I'd contrast "practical" with "theoretical". So a practical guide would give information about cleanliness, wound dressings, recording information properly and the like without giving the theory behind it. In which case "practical" is not the same as "easy to implement" or particularly close to it.

Whilst I prefer taking out words which are just so much padding, I think sometimes they can be useful. In this case you could argue that they are reinforcing each other or that they make the text a bit friendlier and easier to read. Very dense text can be a bit difficult to take in. (Though if an editor gives you 500 words to describe complex issues, that's what they'll get).

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DadDadDad · 16/11/2015 10:08

I think you are right in this context that using practical and easy-to-implement is overkill. I suppose I was thinking more of the distinction between theoretical and practical (I know the theory of the internal combustion engine, but I'd need a practical guide to build one, and I wouldn't expect it to be easy, even if it was doable).

Given the range of meanings of practical, I would ditch it and just use easy-to-implement as that would presumably be the selling point.

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redstrawberry10 · 16/11/2015 10:06

one writes a book, not factors it.

I don't think they are synonyms. But, like you, I don't think the easy to do part adds anything.

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redstrawberry10 · 16/11/2015 10:06

one writes a book, not factors it.

"writes" to me suggests that's mainly what the book is about. I think the original sentence says the book says various things, but accounts for the realities of life etc etc. Perhaps "accounts for"?

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LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 16/11/2015 10:04

'doable' is listed as a synonym for 'practical' which is too close to 'easy to implement' for my liking.

But as an editor, even if they aren't synonyms, they are too close together to both add weight to the sentence. And the first rule of my editing is 'if you aren't sure about the grammar, re-cast the sentence.' Grin

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redstrawberry10 · 16/11/2015 10:01

that depends on what's being called practical. If only the leaflet is practical (as in your example), I wouldn't use the word practical (maybe "informative" is better). If, however, the advice is practical, I would assume that means practical to implement.

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LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 16/11/2015 09:59

If something is hard to do, then it's not practical advice, surely?

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DadDadDad · 16/11/2015 09:57

redstrawberry - if you are suggesting that practical and easy-to-implement are synonyms, then I'm sure not that's the case. I could imagine something being practical (ie shows you all the steps to complete a task in real-life) but not easy-to-implement (because the steps involved are complicated or require the use of something which is hard to obtain).

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LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 16/11/2015 09:51

I am glad I read to the end redstrawberry because yes, that would be my edit too. Also 'factors in the realities' doesn't make sense - one writes a book, not factors it.

'In this book Tara writes about the realities of life as a nurse, offering practical advice.'

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redstrawberry10 · 16/11/2015 09:41

Perhaps I will make a slightly different comment. Is easy-to-implement redundant after practical?

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WitchWay · 16/11/2015 07:05

Iguana - yes, "to-morrow", absolutely!

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justonemorethread · 16/11/2015 06:57

I agree with everyone saying yes to hyphens in first post, but I would also be rid of the comma after 'book'.

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IguanaTail · 16/11/2015 06:52

witchway that would explain why my dad keeps writing to-morrow !!

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TwistInMySobriety · 15/11/2015 20:22

Fast-flowing is a compound adjective qualifyng river, but fast is also an adverb qualifying flowing.

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Maryz · 15/11/2015 20:17

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DadDadDad · 15/11/2015 20:13

Part of the confusion with the last few comments may be that friendly its an adjective not an adverb. It's easy to be fooled because it ends ly, but "the friendly dog" shows it's not an adverb, unlike secretly.

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clam · 15/11/2015 19:51

I would hyphenate, but I can't explain how I know!

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Maryz · 15/11/2015 19:51

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Pipbin · 15/11/2015 19:44

So what about things like holier-than-thou attitude?

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anothernumberone · 15/11/2015 19:41

Obviously I should have put a whole lot of commas into those sentences but hopefully you get what I am asking.

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anothernumberone · 15/11/2015 19:40

Sat = say

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anothernumberone · 15/11/2015 19:40

I have to ask why in fast-flowing is the flowing not considered to be an adjective rather than fast being an adverb. Sat the sentence is the man jumped into the fast-flowing river I would consider jumped to be the verb in the sentence and fast- flowing an adjective.

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