25 when did it become not an adult?

[Samcro]

so under 25 you don't get the new wage.
surely 25 is and adult. someone who has left education and home, hopefully been working a few years so why?
why is say (for example) a 23 yr old thought to be worth less?

[00100001]

And it is a hood thing, as before then, a yijng person might have only been paid a few pounds an hour, the minimum wage introduction was a good thing, and still is.

[00100001]

penfold maybe but itbwould be beneficial for an employer to employ a younger person, as it would be cheaper.

Maybe that's part of the thinking? Get young people into the workplace more easily?

[Coffeethrowtrampbitch]

Utterly unfair age discrimination.

I notice they still pay the same in tax as over 25's, so they still have to contribute to a system which won't support them back in terms of housing benefit or a minimum wage.
It is disgraceful, if it had been suggested that over 50's have no minimum wage there would be outcry.

[BathtimeFunkster]

If this was about giving young people an advantage, then we wouldn't simultaneously be cutting all their benefits and turning them into dependants until well into adulthood.

It's shocking.

Or it least it would be if we weren't governed by a bunch of self-serving class warriors.

And living in a society full of the stupid, venal, and vindictive who voted for this economically illiterate bullshit.

[ObiWanCannoli]

I was married at 21 had a baby at 23 lived in services accomadation with dh who was 27.

Everything I read makes me believe deeply that David Cameron is attacking traditional Britain.

A Britain that should support the young and encourage independence.

I am very unhappy about this budget.

[whois]

How can they leave home? By going into a flat/house share???

Why not? What's wrong with a flat share?

[crazykat]

At 25 I had three children and had been married in my own home for four years.

Why should someone under 25 be paid less for doing the same job as someone over 25?

Change 'under 25' to 'women' and see the attitude change.

Plus, as plenty of others have said, with the rise in zero hour contracts all that will happen is as soon as people reach 25 they'll suddenly have no shifts available.

[RealHuman]

maybe but itbwould be beneficial for an employer to employ a younger person, as it would be cheaper.

Maybe that's part of the thinking? Get young people into the workplace more easily?

As I mentioned earlier, these arguments sound kind of familiar.

Nobody, now, takes it seriously though if you suggest women should be paid less as otherwise employers won't be willing to take them on when they could get a man for that price.

[BathtimeFunkster]

Everything I read makes me believe deeply that David Cameron is attacking traditional Britain.

A Britain that should support the young and encourage independence.

Yup.

A country that expects its "young" people to be living at home supported by their parents until their 30s, like the Spain or Italy.

Definitely the model of go-getting economies we want to follow.

Why even bother leaving the EU if you are going to choose to give up everything good about Britain and take the worst of US and European failing policies?

This country used to be about giving people a chance.

Now it's about taking every chance away from them and blaming them for it.

Still, me and mine are AOK, so perhaps I should be pleased with the reduced competition for my average children from the exceptional children of the poor.

[purits]

If this was about giving young people an advantage, then we wouldn't simultaneously be cutting all their benefits and turning them into dependants until well into adulthood.

Not getting your reasoning there. It's OK to be dependent on the State but not your parents?
The Labour Party has rotted your brain into thinking that you have entitlement to handouts, The Tories are trying to get the nation out of that mindset.

[ghostyslovesheep]

what if they have no parents - or their parents kick them out

I work with care leavers and other young people - I have many 16 year olds who have NFA - not every young person has a loving caring home - wouldn't it be nice if they did in lala tory land but they DON'T - and the cuts in welfare are not going to make is easier for young people to remain in the family home

[ghostyslovesheep]

oh and I am GLAD the Labour Party decided that poor and disadvantaged people needed support - and that we all deserved FREE healthcare and FREE education and stuff :)

Because I'd rather pay more tax than see more poverty

[LashesandLipstick]

Purits why should parents pay for their adult working children?

[BathtimeFunkster]

It's OK to be dependent on the State but not your parents?

Um, obviously.

Because the vast majority of people in this country are "dependent on the state" AKA living in a country that pools its resources so that being rich isn't a prerequisite for a decent life.

Having access to the services we all pay for is part of being an adult.

That includes knowing you can move for a job and claim housing benefit while your pay is low, rather than staying in your parents house as an unemployed, and increasingly unemployable, parasite until you can throw yourself onto a lifetime of benefits aged 25.

Preaching independence while turning adults into dependants (if indeed there is anyone they can depend on) makes as much sense as preaching about how we must all live within our means while increasing debts for students.

It's called hypocrisy.

[LashesandLipstick]

Ghosty me too. I'm from a well off family and I'm glad we pay more tax, it's fairer. I'd rather we pay more tax and less children starve than have an extra bit of money we don't need and have people suffering. I don't understand how selfish some are

[YeOldTrout]

My mother got married twice before she was 25.

I'm glad the new min. wage won't apply then though. Don't think my teenagers would have much chance at employment otherwise.

[LashesandLipstick]

Bathtime brilliant post

[purits]

You've got it all back to front ghosty. Labour didn't support the poor, they infantilised them and turned them into benefits-addicts. People used to be embarrassed to admit they claimed State help, now they seem to see it as a right. That's not the way to run a healthy economy.

[LashesandLipstick]

Purits why should people be embarrassed to claim something when they've

Paid taxes
Paid into society with time/skills
In a situation through no fault of their own?

I used to get DLA, does it upset you I'm not embarrassed to have claimed support for something that was entirely not my fault?

[JazzAnnNonMouse]

It's ageism. It just doesn't count because ageism only counts if you're old.
Imagine if they said anyone over the age of 60 will get a cut in wages.

I'm 24, have 2 kids am married and we own our home. Our bills aren't any less than a 26 year old.

[ghostyslovesheep]

Oh dear Purits I hope you privately educate and have Bupa cover - you know - you don't use anything that is FREE and paid for by taxes

Benefit addicts I prefer 'people claiming what they are legally entitled to' - less hyperbole more truth

but keep ranting it's very entertaining

[LashesandLipstick]

Posted before but this seems appropriate again

[purits]

'Benefit addicts' I prefer 'people claiming what they are legally entitled to'

I rest my case. You have been brainwashed into thinking that the State should cover more and more of your life. Of course I believe in supporting those at the disadvantaged end of the scale - who doesn't.
But when it gets to the stage where we think it is reasonable for the average family to get help then something is clearly wrong. At work, about 50% of the employees (so working people) are on some form of handout - that can't be right.

[LashesandLipstick]

Purits not everyone who disagrees with you is brainwashed. Some of us genuinely don't like suffering and greed...

[purits]

And you're implying that I do?