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AIBU?

to think history is going to repeat itself with our new baby?

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PuffyPigeon · 10/04/2014 22:43

We have four dc aged 9, 8, 7 and just turned 2. The 9 and 8 yr old are my dsc and only here sometimes. When our 2 yr old was born, dh would busy himself helping by looking after older dd, washing up, cooking etc which was great but now, 2 yrs on, our dd has very little to do with him if I'm there. She won't let him carry her or hold her hand on the odd occasion he tries, she won't be put to bed by him or settle with him if hurt or upset whether I'm there or not. She'll play with him and talk to him if I encourage her to but quite honestly, he knows little about how to 'handle' her which ends in her getting upset.

I'm pregnant and really want this baby to be attached to us both rather than just me. I haven'tbeen aanywhere or done anything without dd for two yrs and I want a bit of my life back. I said to dh that I want to express when baby is old enough so he can give baby a bottle at bedtime and stop the association with only me being able to put them to bed. However, he isof the mindset that 'babies need their mum's' and says he'll be responsible for the older dc.

I understand that some men find newborns daunting, but this is his fifth. He's upset by how dd is with him but I think if I'm left to do everything with this baby too then history will repeat itself. Aibu to think this and want him to do more with the baby so I can have some freedom and also get time to spend with the older dc?

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Snatchoo · 13/04/2014 19:31

Well, my DH is a SAHD and my two year old is hopelessly attached to me.

When I'm at home, he is very clingy and not bothered with his dad at all so even if things drastically change with what he does with them, it might not change the way your new baby is with him.

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TheRealYellowWiggle · 13/04/2014 19:17

Oh come on Merry, do women cope with three? He may indeed struggle, but as long as he keeps them all safe so what?

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MerryMarigold · 12/04/2014 19:39

I think it is ambitious to leave dh with all the kids tbh. My dh struggles with 3. But I would really encourage some 1:1 time with the toddler such as swimming.

Yes, I think getting some life back with a new baby and toddler is very ambitious. You do need to put that on hold. If it ain't happened yet, it ain't gonna.

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FutTheShuckUp · 12/04/2014 16:15

You say you want to get a bit of your life back yet are having another baby ConfusedConfusedConfusedConfusedConfused

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Guitargirl · 12/04/2014 14:18

Ah, yes, sorry, got confused with all the ages!

OP - you need to go out more on your own and leave him to it. He will learn to get on with things and make the best of it, letting you think that he struggles on his own is all very convenient but he needs to be able to look after his own kids!

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TheRealYellowWiggle · 12/04/2014 14:10

I thought the OP's DSC meant they were the OP's dh's dcs?

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mewkins · 12/04/2014 11:09

Could you encourage your dh to plan good days out where he is responsible for it all? Even if ypu have to book in say a day out with a friend for her birthday or something? Dh used to find it a bit daunting to face a whole day looking after dd on his own so I would make suggestions eg. Soft play or using vouchers to go to a wildlife park or something. He gradually got more confident I think as they had a purpose for the day and he seemed to find it easier than a day at home . Not saying this is how it should be but over time it has helped him not feel daunted and he looks forward to days just him and dd.

I have also been really strict about taking it in turns to put dd to bed (this has now evolved to me starting the bath and him getting her ready for bed and reading stories. DD is a mummy's girl but gets that I need time to do stuff too.

It must be hard with more children in the mix but hopefully you can persuade dh that it's not time wasted but time making nice memories for when the kids are all grown up !

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hevak · 12/04/2014 11:05

No guitar - the 7yo is OP's DD from a previous relationship

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Guitargirl · 12/04/2014 10:51

Am I reading it right that his children with his ex were aged 2 and 1 when your first child with him was born?

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GreenPetal94 · 12/04/2014 10:43

My advice is to go out without your children and leave them all (including new baby) with dh. You can express if you are breastfeeding.

When I had one and then two tiny kids I was stuck in a small flat and had mental health problems so everyone was advising me to go out. So I joined a weekly jewellery making evening class and went out with friends to cinema etc. I thought I was doing this for me, but I realise looking back it enable dh to bond with the kids, put them to bed once a week and generally gain confidence with them as they couldn't go to me (or I couldn't criticise). It worked well for us.

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MigGril · 12/04/2014 10:17

It could also be partly your toddlers personality my DD was the same at that age. Very clingy to me wouldn't go to her dad or let him put her to bed. We have no other children so it wasn't like he'd been busy doing anything else. She just wanted me, I did find it very hard it got easier as she got older and more accepting of him. Was possibly due to her being with me all the time, but I still think personality had a lot to do with it.
Along came her brother she was 3 by then and a little better. He was just easier from day one and his dad has always been able to settle him. DH seemed happier to cuddle DS as a baby I think mainly as he would relax with him where as DD wouldn't and he just didn't know what to do with her.
They where both ebf and nether ever had a bottle.

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TheRealYellowWiggle · 12/04/2014 09:40

Did he become uninvolved in the care of his oldest two due to the divorce? Is that a factor?
I would suggest not telling him what you'd like, tell him what you'd need - or what the children need. The dcs need you to take them swimming every Saturday morning, or whatever. Start whatever changes you decide to make BEFORE the baby comes.

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WooWooo · 12/04/2014 09:02

The issue is your DH, us Mumsnetters can't change his behaviour, you need to sit down with him and talk it through.

The best advice seems to be for him to take the children out or at least away from you so that he can't just revert to norm.

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PuffyPigeon · 12/04/2014 08:04

The first two dc are my dsc, the third is my dd. We only have one child together. Baby will be the second.

He is great with them if we're on days out etc. or so long as I'm there too but he struggles on his own. He's had one on one time with the toddler but because he treats it like distracting her rather than enjoying her, neither enjoy it.

He just doesn't get how suffocating it is to have to do everything with toddler even though he's there. Last night for example, I felt sick and wanted some toast. Toddler refused her dinner, and I'd told her there was nothing else so I couldn't get toast otherwise I'd have her screaming in my ear All the way through eating it. Meanwhile he's munching on whatever he fancies and she goes nowhere near him.

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PuffyPigeon · 12/04/2014 08:03

The first two dc are my dsc, the third is my dd. We only have one child together. Baby will be the second.

He is great with them if we're on days out etc. or so long as I'm there too but he struggles on his own. He's had one on one time with the toddler but because he treats it like distracting her rather than enjoying her, neither enjoy it.

He just doesn't get how suffocating it is to have to do everything with toddler even though he's there. Last night for example, I felt sick and wanted some toast. Toddler refused her dinner, and I'd told her there was nothing else so I couldn't get toast otherwise I'd have her screaming in my ear All the way through eating it. Meanwhile he's munching on whatever he fancies and she goes nowhere near him.

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Feminine · 11/04/2014 10:11

I agree with those that are wondering why you have had more children?

Do you keep having sticking plaster kids?

I don't know what you are supposed to do?

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fluffyraggies · 11/04/2014 08:30

It could be a self perpetuating situation.

  • dad feels rejected
  • retreats from parenting
  • child not used to their dad parenting
  • child rejects dad
  • dad feels rejected ......... pattern continues ........


Talk to him about whether the above applies. Does he actually want to break the pattern? Is he, in fact, quite happy being a parent in name only?

Sorry to ask, but if he's always been this reluctant to parent why have you gone on to have more DCs with him OP? One child is a learning curve, two - you may have hoped things would improve, but 5 ... ? Confused
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Driveway · 11/04/2014 08:24

I also am confused as to why you decided it was a good idea to tie yourself to more years of this life which you seem to resent so much.

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NoisyNoraBackAgain · 11/04/2014 08:15

I found that my DS (just 2) and DH's relationship improved significantly when I started having to work on Saturday mornings, so DH had to have 1:1 time for a few hours every weekend. Before, he did the occasional bedtime and looked after DS for an hour or so after work (until I got home) a few times a week, but DS was very clingy with me. I think the 'quality' time is what's made the difference.

Perhaps you're going to have to insist that your DH look after your 2yo DD while you go out with the 7yo (or the baby, when it's born). I think it makes more sense for you to be the main carer for the new baby, but once it's 1/walking/talking, I think DH (when he's forced to) can take charge and have fun.

My concern is your DH's attitude that he's just keepng them occupied till you come back. After 4 DC you'd hope he'd enjoy the company of children a bit more. If he really doesn't, I think that history will repeat itself, yes. Sorry. And, tbh, I don't think he sounds like a great father.

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Legologgo · 11/04/2014 07:36

Why do you keep having babies with this crap man?!

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3DcAndMe · 11/04/2014 07:35

My oh and ds2 were like this until ds2 was about 3 and realised that daddy was fun. He was a hard baby and oh struggled with this.

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ikeaismylocal · 11/04/2014 07:32

It sounds like he really doesn't like being a father, it is odd he made the decision to have 5 children if he'd prefer to do the washing up than play with his kids.

Can you insist he takes paternity leave? My dp was always as involved as possible when he was at home but he has become so much closer to ds in the last 4 months since dp has been on ppaternity leave.

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TheRealYellowWiggle · 11/04/2014 00:21

Not at all? Even if he does the 'treat' stuff - soft play, cafe, playground? If his face is tripping him the whole time the dcs will pick up on that. I think doing it regularly may still be the only way to make a change. Even if it's not much fun for them, still means you get some breathing space.

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moreyear · 11/04/2014 00:10

That is hard and I do understand the almost claustrophobic feeling you get from thinking you will never, ever, ever have another minute on your own again.

My OH is similar if he looks after the children when I am in the house - which is why for us getting them to spend time together outside the house was the solution. We negotiated it (through tears I think on my part). Now I don't have to ask and he can't ' forget' - every Saturday morning unless it's raining they walk the dogs for an hour.

Knowing that break is there gets me through the nightly wake ups etc and it stops me being there to oversee their relationship. They do what suits them best and if that involves more sweets than I would like or an occasional sausage roll, well I don't know and frankly can overlook it for my 1 hour. Smile

Being out of the house also meant he was completely responsible for then and couldn't turn to me when our daughter needed comforting and he he had to find a way to deal with it.

I know he felt quite isolated from our daughter because she only wanted me. I think it was quite a painful thing for him and maybe he didn't try as hard with her as he could have for fear of that rejection? Certainly he treasures it so much that she is so much more comfortable with him now.

I know it is harder in your situation because you have more children but maybe try and see if you can come to an arrangement whereby he takes your daughter to the park or wherever for 30 minutes every Saturday afternoon without exception. Hopefully their own relationship can grow from that time spent together.

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PuffyPigeon · 10/04/2014 23:51

TheReal It still makes no difference though because he, nor the children, enjoy their time away together. They all see it as passing time until they can return to me.

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