That those who disbelieve Women suffered DV because the police say otherwise?

[EthelDorothySusan]

There has been a report today, showing the police pen push ok, their attitude and evidence gathering is so poor that they fail families suffering DV.

All those who say the poor Man falsely accused in court by it criminal or family court, see the police did nothing she was a liar... well maybe she was not liar, maybe she and the children were put at risk for years, because the police failed her and her children.

Yes I know some Men suffer DV, it is the minority so I am using the majority as a Woman.

[Nicknacky]

How can Green comment on this guys behaviour? She doesn't know him.

And as for your comment about personality types? Seriously.

[Goblinchild]

Well, it's good to spread the blame around. The police, the schools, the medical profession, the law....

[Goblinchild]

How could I have forgotten the social workers, on my list?

[CogitoErgoSometimes]

I'm not really sure what point you're making OP except that you've obviously had some bad experiences with the police However, things are changing and you would be very wrong to take that experience and try to put any woman off reporting DV.

[EthelDorothySusan]

The Police have been dammed for their behaviour, they have been told to clean up their act, accept it, continue to do your job properly, continue to whistleblow, and stop giving those who have suffered at your colleagues hands a hard time.

[EthelDorothySusan]

*Cognito, where did I say those things? I did not they are your words.

[EthelDorothySusan]

Yes many have had bad experiences with the police, there are changes they have been ordered to make, how dare you dismiss the experiences of victims of abuse as if they are nothing.

[CogitoErgoSometimes]

Everything you're writing is painting the police in a very bad light. Someone in two minds about reporting abuse could read your words and decide they'd be better off not bothering. That's the problem

[CogitoErgoSometimes]

I am not diminishing anyone's experiences. I spend a lot of time encouraging women in abusive relationships to report what happens to the police. DV units are improving all the time, the chances are that victims will be taken seriously and there are many agencies who are willing and able to help with refuge and legal services .... provided people have the courage to come forward

[EthelDorothySusan]

The report paints a picture of the police as bad, the paperwork I have paints the police in a bad way, the experiences I have had paint the police in a bad way, the police have been dammed again. Who would have thought it was going to be AM and his hidden recorder to be able to show up the police for who they are.

[EthelDorothySusan]

Then accept Cognito, there have been mess up's even recently and far too many rotten apples in the forces.

[Perfectlypurple]

You haven't answered my question about where I laid into you and I am not giving you a hard time.

Cognito makes a very good point.

[EthelDorothySusan]

I am not a criminal, you can not control me to deflect from your own behaviour, go to work and demand answers there, and get your power tip there.

[Nicknacky]

Even in the 12 years I have been in the police, the way we deal with domestic incidents has improved dramatically. We are people, the same as you. We are not heartless machines and generally speaking we try our best.

I don't think there will be a force in the control that doesn't have domestic violence as one of it's priorities.

[Nicknacky]

Who is trying to control you?

[Perfectlypurple]

Oh my god. Where am I controlling you? You asked me questions. I answered. I asked you where I had laid into you and accused you of lying. You won't answer - because I haven't said that.

Where am I deflecting from my own behaviour? You don't know me. You are just flinging insults for the sake of it and you are not helping your cause.

[Goblinchild]

You are being irrational OP.

[peggyundercrackers]

OP your coming across as completely irrational and making lots of sweeping statements tarring everyone with the same brush. these processes are dealt with by people - people make mistakes no matter what profession they are in, its not just the police - its a fact of life unfortunately

[Goblinchild]

So in the report, most forces were found to require significant improvement,

4 were seriously failing:
Bedfordshire
Cambridgeshire
Gloucestershire
Greater Manchester

and these Forces were praised :
Lancashire
Dorset
Durham
Norfolk
Northumbria
Suffolk
Thames Valley
Warwickshire

So they have a model of good practice that needs to become the standard for all of the forces, building on the improvements that have been made over the last twenty or thirty years.

[CogitoErgoSometimes]

OP you're not doing yourself or your cause any favours with your aggressive manner The police track record on DV has been poor and could certainly be better, but they are the only access that we have to law in this country and we have to use them. Whilst naturally campaigning for and demanding better service, women still need to be encouraged to keep coming forward. Abusive men should not be allowed to carry on unchallenged

[EthelDorothySusan]

I am getting "help" for the problems with blood supply to my brain, at last.

[EthelDorothySusan]

All the police on this thread have shown is that they write people off as mentally ill, and ignore what has been done wrong, try to make it all look like they are fantastic, and twist things. You have been found to fail those who suffered DV.

[AShadowStirsWithin]

In the past 4 years I have called the police three times. Twice to log incidents and just a week ago I dialled 999 in real fear for my safety. The police that came and logged incidents were good apart from one comment about how "the truth is somewhere between what you've told me, and what your partner has told me". That was quite unpleasant to hear as I was heading into refuge!

Last week they turned up quickly but I had to sob and beg to get then to ask my ex to leave. They very nearly left me in a house with a man who had assaulted my child while I was holding him only a few hours earlier and who I clearly said I was terrified of, and who would be very very angry that I had called the police. It was only sobbing hysterically and begging that made the officer "ask" my ex if he wouldn't mind going elsewhere. They left me with a leaflet, no incident report number, no further action, no info on follow up support services, just a leaflet with some numbers on.

I am not currently very impressed with the local police force.

[AShadowStirsWithin]

Haha I've just seen that the police force in question this weekend are on that 'seriously failing' list.