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to vote Tory for £2000?

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Solopower1 · 18/03/2014 07:19

The government is going to give you lucky working parents £2000 for each child for childcare while you go out and earn a living - if you vote for them.

Will you?

'The support package – one of the coalition's central election offers to middle-class working parents – will be available, when launched, for anyone with children up to the age of 12 instead of the previous cut-off age of five.

The £2,000 maximum is to cover 20% of the costs of childcare up to an annual maximum of £10,000 a year. No extra support is available for people with more expensive provision.'

www.theguardian.com/money/2014/mar/18/pm-pitches-families-childcare-cash

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NotNewButNameChanged · 18/03/2014 08:27

I'll vote Tory when they bring in some policy that gives something back to those of us who are unmarried without kids!

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Fusedog · 18/03/2014 08:27

I will be voting Tory for free I don't need money to vote

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Retropear · 18/03/2014 08:27

Those earning under 10 k(due to go up ) don't.

Many second earners earn under that.

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whineaholic · 18/03/2014 08:28

Did you miss the bit about the majority being NON MN Dawn?

We all know very few will admit to having Tory tendancie shere - it's all F&B London Leftie Trendy Grin. And, judging by the results of the last election, when some of you get in the ballot box is a very different story Wink

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VeryStressedMum · 18/03/2014 08:29

What i mean is do you think the country us worse now and that's the reason you won't vote tory?

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rallytog1 · 18/03/2014 08:29

The problem is, labour hasn't said what they will do to help make childcare more affordable. They need to come up with a policy and quick.

As a pp had said, this won't massively benefit people already getting vouchers, unless they have more than one child in daycare, in which case it's a much better deal - currently there is a maximum limit of vouchers which is the same no matter how many children you have. Having a per child limit seems far more sensible, as does opening I the scheme to all workers, not just those whose employers are in the voucher scheme.

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vickibee · 18/03/2014 08:29

think of the bigger picture and other policies that the Tories are planning. Don't consider in isolation

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ifyourehoppyandyouknowit · 18/03/2014 08:30

I wouldn't take £2000 off a Tory even if they presented it gift wrappedw and attached to a naked Eric the Viking.

Bastards.

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whineaholic · 18/03/2014 08:31

Those earning under 10 k(due to go up ) don't.

And quite right, though I agree, if you are a Labour voter you would have voted to make sure those very low earners do pay tax.

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Retropear · 18/03/2014 08:32

The point being said second workers earning under the threshold will be costing rather a lot if they have several children but clearly helping those sahp who wish to have some time at home is just out of the question.

And don't get me started on married tax breaks either.It's social engineering.

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whineaholic · 18/03/2014 08:35

They are bastards, hopalong.

Fancy giving low earners help with childcare, allow them to keep more of their money and raising the NMW and making work pay. Cunts Sad.

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pointythings · 18/03/2014 08:36

I think this policy would have more credibility if people on a combined income of £300k weren't eligible. I heard Clegg discussing this on Today this morning and he was saying that setting a threshold below this would be too complex - but completely failed to explain why.

I think the threshold should be set at a combined income of £100k and that the money should be spent on giving families on low/middle incomes more than a lousy £2k per child. My two are out of childcare now but I remember how we struggled, even on a combined income of £38k, to keep them in nursery and not go overdrawn - we got out 12.5 hours a week once they turned 3 and that was great, but it was still bloody hard. It makes my blood boil to think that people like us should get the same as someone on almost 10 times that much.

And I would never vote Tory just because of all the evil things they have done to the poor and the disabled after Cameron trotted out his disabled son to make us all think he understood.

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Solopower1 · 18/03/2014 08:36

VeryStressedMum - most of us are a lot worse off than we were before the Coalition - of course we are! Or do you think the lack of jobs for young people, the benefit cuts, the privatisation of the NHS didn't happen? They did. And to someone near you.

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Retropear · 18/03/2014 08:36

Anyhow in answer to the op no I won't be bought by bribes.

I will benefit as a non tax paying worker when I return to work but I don't like being bullied into things.I make my own decisions when I'm good and ready.

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Solopower1 · 18/03/2014 08:38

Agree with Pointythings.

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Retropear · 18/03/2014 08:40

And what Pointy said.

So they can take CB off those 1 income families earning over 50k with the debacle method of declaring tax on the partner not even getting it but they can't work out a way to take free food and childcare off families on £300k.

Knobs

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Owllady · 18/03/2014 08:40

I would be happier if they abided by the carers act and provided help for carers to work, which is their legal obligation Hmm

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ifyourehoppyandyouknowit · 18/03/2014 08:41

They haven't made work pay. They're doing a good job demonizing the poor, disabled and I out of work. Their policies are short sighted. Their ethos (hard working families) is bullshit. If you are born poor in Britain today, you will probably die poor too.

Childcare is unaffordable because housing prices and cost of living is obscene. Do something about that, which affects everyone, rather than making token gestures that only impact a vocal few.

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Owllady · 18/03/2014 08:42

We lost child benefit too despite the fact I am unable to work because I am a carer for my severely disabled teenage daughter.

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Lottiedoubtie · 18/03/2014 08:42

When the time comes I will vote whichever way I think is most likely to get rid of Gove.

Before the last election I believed that the Tories would do some good and the harm that Gove could cause was limited.

I was a naive idiot. And have bitterly regretted thinking that ever since.

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whineaholic · 18/03/2014 08:42

Because of course, no one could accuse Labour of bribing or bullyig those they trapped on benefits...

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JamNan · 18/03/2014 08:48

Whine,
Because of course, no one could accuse Labour of bribing or bullyig those they trapped on benefits...

The trap is that employers don't pay sufficient wages (and that is regardless of which political system is in power) there needs to be higher wages paid. We also need a coherent plan to create more jobs.

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Dawndonnaagain · 18/03/2014 08:48

Did you miss the bit about the majority being NON MN Dawn?
I'm sorry, I forget on occasion that little things like facts have no impact on daily fail readers.

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plainjanine · 18/03/2014 08:49

OP, yes that would be unreasonable.

However, there's little choice, as every time Labour get in, we end up with the economy down the toilet.

Remember Harold Wilson, Dennis Healy, and the man who got us into the current mess: Gordon Brown? Back in 2003, the IMF told Brown he was spending far too much public money, and that was in the boom years. He added a million public service jobs to the taxpayers' burden during his tenure. It's ardly surprising that so many have lost their jobs now. And because he didn't support private industry during that time, there's no-one to help with picking the economy back up.

The hard times this causes will last a generation for some people. And people blame Cameron/Clegg for it. What short memories they have. :-(

(sorry, rant over!) ... and breathe.

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Owllady · 18/03/2014 08:49

Well I personally wasn't trapped on benefits under Labour. I received direct payments in order to work. Under the cuts I now receive a 'carers break' which is 4 hours a month. I am qualified and capable and have been left with little choice but to give up paid employment to care full time as my husband earned much more than me. In 4 years time my daughter will be going into adult care and under my previous arrangement I would have still had her living at home, as it is we will look at full time residential which will cost the council more. The cuts are a false economy in a lot of instances, short term pain for short term gain. Certainly where children with profound and severe disabilities are concerned, they have not thought about the physical and emotional impact it will have on carers at all.

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