School did not ask for permission to give child injection

[puddingsforsandy]

Child is 14 years. He has a plaster on his arm. He casually says he had an injection at school. I told him I don't remember signing permission slip. He says "oh the teacher said we don't need parental consent for this".

I have checked the slip and it's for immunisation for:
Tetanus, Diphtheria, Polio and Men C.

I don't know how to feel. Would they not ask for permission from parents?

[PablosHoney]

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[nicky7654]

I so wish the HPV vaccine was around when I was young. Would have saved a lot of stress and treatment.

[PablosHoney]

Yes they forward the link but the responses go the imms team, the school is a conduit.

[cptartapp]

They don't have the Men C for school leavers, it's the Men ACWY and has been for a number of years. Recheck the form.

[Newmumatlast]

@cologne4711

I would make sure you didn't sign and that your ds didn't sign and then sue their asses off

For what? There wasn't any damage. Good luck with that in court. I was looking at a judgment just this week where someone sued someone and was awarded £1 in damages. There was a technical breach, but no damage.

It's always good that people are so willing to sue the taxpayer for nothing.

This. You need to establish damages. Nothing untoward appears to have happened. Sue and you risk 'winning' and being lumbered with all of the costs anyway. You may not even win if child is indeed Gillick competent and then also would end up with the costs.

[Newmumatlast]

At 14 they're most likely Gillick competent thus can consent to own medical treatment.

Even if they weren't, thought I might be a bit annoyed my permission wasn't asked, I wouldnt be a dick and sue or kick off or anything like that as I wouldve let my child have their immunisation anyway as its a sensible thing to do for their welfare. I'd only make a complaint of they had an adverse reaction to it which I had anticipated due to allergy etc and for whatever reason my child didn't know about and I wouldve been able to tell the school about had they asked

[FippertyGibbett]

This is a zombie thread.
However, it is to do with school. Some teams are still using some paper consents that need giving out and it is the school who sends the online link to parents.
They do not need parental permission if the child is Gillick competent and a form has not been returned.

[PablosHoney]

It’s nothing to do with the school, they don’t even send out the slips anymore it’s the immunisation team that send an online link which may be forwarded to you from the school and they 100% need your permission I don’t know where people are getting otherwise info. On immunisation day hours get spent calling the parents who have done it.

[Pixxie7]

They should have got your consent, however if your child was deemed able to understand and give their consent it may not be necessary.

[cologne4711]

Oh why do I fall for these Zombie threads - because I don't look at the dates, I know, but there's a great big warning that comes up when you try to post on one!

[cologne4711]

I would make sure you didn't sign and that your ds didn't sign and then sue their asses off

For what? There wasn't any damage. Good luck with that in court. I was looking at a judgment just this week where someone sued someone and was awarded £1 in damages. There was a technical breach, but no damage.

It's always good that people are so willing to sue the taxpayer for nothing.

[CuriousaboutSamphire]

BLOODY NORA!!!


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Stop doing this! Start a new thread! Read the bloody dates when you do a Search!

[CuriousaboutSamphire]

Am I the only one thinking that OPs DS has had that form for a little while, that there may be, have been, more to it and it would have had all the usual info on it re medical info, Gillick competency, signature request, etc?

OP - when you call the school on Monday best check what they really did do before you go off like Rambo!

[BogRollBOGOF]

The "child" is now 20 and long out of school so it's a moot point anyway.

[DragonPie]

This thread is 6 years old.

[lanthanum]

We had an email with a link to a consent form last year. The jabs then didn't happen because of lockdown. They did them last week, but there was no further parental communication. Is it possible you filled in the form last year but have forgotten all about it?

[FippertyGibbett]

A consent form or digital form is sent home.
If it is not returned the child is assessed by the nurse for Gillick competence. If the child wants the vaccinations and understands what the vaccine is, the risks of not having them and possible side effects they can sign for themselves.
You need to ask your child why you didn’t receive a consent form.

[Aridane]

Zombie thread or not, child is gillick,competent

[Bigbrowproblems]

Zombie thread

[ZeroSumTrap]

I'm suspecting the teen was given the notification form (many times?!) but didn't deliver it to OP (parent).

[trixiebelden77]

Where I am 14 yr olds can consent to immunisations. It means people with stupid negligent parents who value their own right to be ignorant over their child’s right to reduce their risk of dying from a vaccine preventable disease can do the responsible thing themselves.

[ZoeRedbird]

this is from the NHS website

Children under the age of 16 can consent to their own treatment if they're believed to have enough intelligence, competence and understanding to fully appreciate what's involved in their treatment. This is known as being Gillick competent.

[OwlCapone]

The law says that children under 16 can give their consent to treatment as long as they have the capacity to understand the implications

That rather assumes that the child has had the implications explained to them.

[MrsRuffdiamond]

so legally they're safe anyway.

Absolutely, saintly.

The medical profession/state doesn't have to give any guarantees that a vaccine is not going to damage an individual, but demands incontrovertible proof, before recognising that any damage has been done. Not easy for a layperson to provide.

To paraphrase the idiom - If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, at least consideration should be given to the possibility that it might actually be a duck. Doesn't seem to be the case with possible vaccine damage.

[Pregnantberry]

I think if a 14 year old wants to be vaccinated against those potentially very nasty diseases, then their parents shouldn't have the authority to stop them. If he were allergic, then he should know (or perhaps schools should have records of these things), and if he isn't allergic, then his right to choose to be vaccinated trumps the right of the parent with no real medical reason to object in my eyes.

I feel like if there was a story which went "parents of 14 year old refused to let him have vaccination because of conspiracy theory (and yes, there are real parents like this out there), one year later he caught polio and will now confined to a wheelchair for the rest of his life" then most of you would be bating for their blood, not saying how great it was that they had had the right to object.

Obviously, if the teen has had some sort of SN or are particularly immature then they are not Gillick competent and that is different, because they may not be aware of some sort of allergy.