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To feel that the South West has been abandoned (long and ranty)

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zeezeek · 05/02/2014 18:44

My family still live in Cornwall and they have been completely battered by the wind and the rain for weeks now. Last night they had to be evacuated from their house. The main train line down to Cornwall (in fact also half of Devon) is completely destroyed and a lot of prime agricultural land in Somerset is under water.

People are losing their livelihoods and they have been lucky that there have been no loss of life. In a region where there is already high unemployment - the impact on the farming, fishing and tourist industries will just make the situation worse. Freight trains can no longer get down past Exeter.

The EA are effectively blaming the poor buggers who are affected by this and seemingly forgetting that people and homes are also affected. The government doesn't give a shit and the Environment minister didn't even bother taking a pair of wellington boots with him on his photo opp visit. Our future King made silly comments about how a disaster beings people together while his waste of space daughter in law spends taxpayers money jetting off to the Caribbean. Comments in sensible, intelligent newspapers are also blaming people for daring to live on a flood plain (which has never flooded to this extent) and by the sea.

I know that I am BU, but tonight - when my parents are still not allowed home and my brother has had his fishing boat sunk - I am feeling very, very pissed off with the media who seems to be making such a big deal out of a 2 day tube strike - there are buses.

Sorry, but needed to vent. Have nothing against Londoners - I lived there for years.

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zeezeek · 05/02/2014 21:08

piratecat - there were various other ones inland - through Tavistock, over moors or something - can't remember now. As far as I know they have been closed for years - before my time. Have heard stories that they will be re-opened, but the GWR is the main one and all the marketing etc, for tourism in the SW banks on that gorgeous journey along the coast (and it still gets me now...and the DDs and DH too)

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Mrsmorton · 05/02/2014 21:11

So if Kate wasn't on holiday, should she visit? I'm confused because lots have said Charles' visit was pointless etc etc. and if she wasn't on holiday, should she give the money she saved to the flood relief because £50k is like a penny in the sofa, I'm confused again because surely the cost of her family holiday can't be much more than a few pennies down the sofa so... What precisely is it you want the royal family to do?

Confused

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zeezeek · 05/02/2014 21:13

Mrsmorton - you have missed the point of this thread by concentrating on one or two irrelevant comments that I have made regarding the Royal Family or thieving bunch of scroungers as I prefer to think of them.

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IndridCold · 05/02/2014 21:14

I do think that this crisis! caused by the terrible weather, has highlighted the growing gap between London and the South East, and the rest of the country (not only the west country). The regions seem to be expected to make sacrifices to help boost the national economy, ie by building everywhere, but there seems to be precious little money flowing back to us to help us grow and develop, and create new jobs.

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zeezeek · 05/02/2014 21:22

YES, exactly!!!

Though I do actually live in the SE now - my home is the SW.

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LessMissAbs · 05/02/2014 21:29

YANBU and I think the Environment Agency have been totally incompetent, in not ensuring the rivers were dredged regularly in the first place. It doesn't make sense that excellent farmland, that has been excellent farmland for decades, is under water for so long. Yes, its a flood plain, but its a flood plain that's long been in use and flooding is perfectly avoidable and has been avoided in the past. The Netherlands has much more land under sea level and there has been no flooding because of their much more advanced and well organised flood prevention systems.

Its as if the whole area has been sacrificed by Government/the Environment Agency until the floodwater recedes. Its just total incompetence. I can't believe what I'm seeing on the news at times.

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 05/02/2014 21:33

It's one that goes north of dartmoor. map

I think the Dawlish line is one by Brunel?

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DolomitesDonkey · 05/02/2014 21:39

YANBU op, but it's not just the sw. Right now there's more snow in Scotland than there was during the whistler Olympics. The Shetland and Orkney ferries have barely run since before Xmas. Fair isle (a place most people probably think of as mythical) has had no boats for weeks and nothing looking likely for another 2. The shelves at tesco are bare on Shetland and today both freight ferries were cancelled.

Fuxking tube strike. Wink

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yummumto3girls · 05/02/2014 21:42

Well, I live in Dawlish/Teignmouth and have to say that the weather we have all experienced in the last few days alone has been been something out of some "the world is ending film!" Huge flood defences have just been ripped apart, the sea fronts in all costal towns have been cordoned off, it really is out of this world. The train line from Exeter to Newton Abbot is one of the most beautiful journeys ever, but as others have said every year it is damaged or shut due to the weather but NEVER this bad, and to the extent that it has simply been washed away!! I feel terrible for those hundreds of families who are flooded or had their homes severely damaged by the sea

The tube strikes are just not comparable, that's just so insulting!! I have to come to London next week for work. I now can't get the train as planned so after a really difficult and long journey to get to London, I will now have to contend with the tube strike!!! What timing!!! I accept they have a right to strike but with this weather this country really does gave enough to contend with other than the tube strike!!

In terms if what can be done, don't spend millions on the High speed link from Birmingham to London's and ensure the south west has a train line that doesn't run by the sea and is cut off every year!!

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yummumto3girls · 05/02/2014 21:45

Here here Dolomitesdonkey!!

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FrontForward · 05/02/2014 21:46

Yanbu. I heard an interview with a woman living in Moorlands Somerset today. It was desperate. To compare several weeks of living with your house under water with spending one night at work just indicates the complete lack of understanding. This is part of the uk. It needs help

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crashbangboom · 05/02/2014 21:48

We need the inland tracks restored. Dawlish was always waiting to happen.

No replacement travel by road being provided today. Its a total nightmare.

We have had lots of mine shafts opening, massive holes in sea defences, flooding everywhere,trees down. Its never ending!

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paperlantern · 05/02/2014 21:48

I am sorry for the loses in SW. but I think you are being unreasonable.

This weather is extreme and no one is responsible for the weather. which is why we have insurance.

As for being forgotten bollocks! prime ministers question time today was )for the conservatives at least all about the flooding. They were talking about started dredging on at least two rivers and funds for reinstating flood defences.

flood warnings in our area at least have been timely and shared well including over Facebook.

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Starballbunny · 05/02/2014 21:48

And now I have to take a roundabout route to pick up DD1, because of the EA not digging out the river again (we had a few winters off from this rubbish when they did) and the council not redesigning the bridge when it washed away.

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crashbangboom · 05/02/2014 21:49

OP. Re the boats I was so sad listening to local radio today. Are the boats covered by insurance? How long will replacements take. Been thinking of the families affected a lot today.

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paperlantern · 05/02/2014 21:50

and improving the Dawlish line. but frankly the country has been broke for so long.

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LessMissAbs · 05/02/2014 21:53

I actually hate the "extreme weather" excuse. Its getting trotted out every few weeks now. How surprising can heavy rain and high winds be on an island in the middle of the North Sea/Atlantic? Its normal winter weather, the same weather that Holland has been experiencing and which has not flooded. To say the flooding is due to extreme weather is to fudge the real issue, which is poor maintenance of dykes and ditches inland. Sea walls being washed away is something that happens from time to time and is unavoidable but that is different to what is happening inland.

Dolomites theres been no snow where I am in Scotland all winter!

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zeezeek · 05/02/2014 21:54

DolomitesDonkey - I admit, I haven't heard about Scotland. I hope that your situation eases soon.

paperlantern - you are missing the point. None of us are saying that we are trying to blame the weather. It is what it is. What and who we are blaming are the government, the EA. I'm not even blaming the media because without them no-one would know what's going on here. We need to protect these vulnerable areas and the people who live there and who are trying to make a living.

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Sunnymeg · 05/02/2014 21:54

YANBU. I live close to the Somerset Levels and everyone has been affected by the weather of recent weeks. People are spending a fortune on fuel and it is now nothing to take a 15 mile detour to get around.
The price of food will go up because vast tranches of agricultural land are now useless. Whole eco systems have died, even the worms are dead. The land will not be fit to use even when the water has gone. People have had their homes ruined, children are losing out on schooling.

Owen Paterson visited Northmoor Green last week. Northmoor Green is about two miles away from the motorway junction. That was the extent of his visit to Somerset. At least Prince Charles sent to see the area the other side of Bridgwater which is where the majority of the problems are.

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IndridCold · 05/02/2014 21:56

The thought of the money they are planning to spend on HS2 makes my blood boil Angry. The irony is that in Germany they found that high speed rail actually had the opposite effect than was intended. Instead of taking business out into the regions it concentrated it in the big cities even more than before. If you can get out into the regions, do what business you need, and get back home to the city in a day, no more need for regional offices!

zeezeek DH is from the SW too, but went to the SE to work (what other choice was there). We moved back down 17 years ago, but within two years the company he worked for was closed and it's operations hived out to India and China, and he has done the weekend commute since then - as do most of the other people we know. DS was born down here too, but if things continue as they are, I see no future for him down here either Sad.

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DolomitesDonkey · 05/02/2014 21:58

Missabs, presumably you're not in glencoe, the Nevis range, Cairngorms or further north.

I'm in holland right now and it's not been too badly hit at all, keeps skewing us and hitting Denmark. Mind you, we pay 250 year "waterways tax" to keep the dykes strong - any of you want to pay more tax? Wink

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Thewhingingdefective · 05/02/2014 21:59

YANBU. If it's not happening in London, it's not important.

I live in Cornwall, in the Tamar Valley, and we were one of many houses without power last night.

Listening to the radio this morning, a man from the Chamber of Commerce in Plymouth said that the damage to the railway line between Exeter and Plymouth would take about six weeks to repair. The cost to the economy would be in the region of £20 million a day for Devon and about £8 million a day for Cornwall. It's awful. Cornwall is already the poorest county in England, and it does feel like we have been cut adrift.

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crashbangboom · 05/02/2014 22:01

Its six weeks to assess damage not repair according to news tonight

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daisychain01 · 05/02/2014 22:03

Zeezeek, just to say, I feel your pain. Its devastation in the SW and the high winds today have petrified me all day. The garden is flooded and our roof was leaking, fixed now but horrible at the time.

We are in the Wye Valley/severn estuary region and We have been witnessing the villages along the estuary being flooded each week as the tides (Severn Bore) have broken the banks. People's livelihoods are shattered and homes destroyed. Im so sorry for people who feel abandonned by the useless twats of our government and their weasley words

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paperlantern · 05/02/2014 22:05

that's the point though. You should blame the weather. politicians haven't made it rain.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. but it is often only when disaster strikes that is crystal clear what needs to be done.

as horrific as the floods that are all over the news so clearly are. I have been impressed with the response.

Look at hurricane katrina in the us. The response was so disastrous and untimely that rescue centres were a disaster and many could not afford to rebuild as insurance is not obligatory in the us.

in the great hurricane of the 80's it was a hell of a long time before electricity was reinstated but we hunkered down and got on with it because the weather situation had been exceptional

weather cannot be stopped. but people can be evacuated and kept safe, property can be rebuilt. lessons learned. if we do that I can't see the government has done a bad job

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