To be pissed off DH's work asking for my Mat B1?

[QueenArseClangers]

DH is sorting out his paternity leave for this Jan when our baby arrives. His work have asked for MY mat b1 form. In the government/hmrc websites it states that this is not required and only filling in a self-certification form is needed.
What pisses me off is a) the mat b1 form is my personal document b) his work won't have data protection to deal with said document in confidence and c) the info is out there for employers to know that they don't need MY form.
Guess it's also just the principle of the the thing too. Got me in a right hormonal pregnant nark, aibu?

[bearleftmonkeyright]

Rainbowshine, but the company still has no right to it. I do feel that this should be upheld. It puts the woman in an impossible situation, where she has liability to prove someone else is entitled to a.benefit from an organization she does not work for. That's ludicrous. There have been threads on here before about this situation, where the mother does not want the father in her life, but the father is demanding her matb1. It's such an important document. I don't think mothers should give it up.

[Rainbowshine]

I know bearleft - I never said it was right, but was trying to add some context why they may have asked. I have experienced where this was a problem the father went with mother to their GP and obtained a letter to verify his situation without referring to mother's information. HTH OP.

[QueenArseClangers]

Just seen DH's work maternity/paternity handbook and it's got a form they say he 'must' complete asking for MY N.I number/employer/date of birth as well as my Mat B1. What the fuck!

[JoinYourPlayfuckers]

Fuckers.

Just make sure he doesn't provide them with those details about you.

[QueenArseClangers]

...upon closer inspection the form in the handbook is a request for additional paternity leave so I guess that's different (although the additional bit was written in teeny tiny writing).

[QueenArseClangers]

But it still demands my mat b!

[FryOneFatManic]

They can demand all they like. If you refuse to provide it, there is nothing they can do as YOU are not under contract with them, and are therefore not obliged to give them YOUR information.

[PansOnFire]

YABU, it's a form which takes no effort to get. My midwife did us two, one for me and one for DH's employer. After she gave us the one for DH I just assumed that the father's employers needed one too.

It's really not worth the stress, give them the form and move on. At least they have no excuses if they mess up his paternity pay.

[FryOneFatManic]

Pans see earlier info, according to HRMC, there is no obligation to provide the form, just to complete a separate form that is a declaration. This way the personal information of the mother, in this case the OP, is protected.

[TippiShagpile]

Will he get paternity leave if he doesn't provide them with a copy?

[JoinYourPlayfuckers]

Yes, he will still get paternity leave because HE is entitled to it.

They are not entitled to ask his wife to provide them with anything, since they have no relationship with HER.

[TippiShagpile]

If he'll get it whether you provide it or not then don't provide it if you don't want to.

[FortyDoorsToNowhere]

My DH works perks is a good paternity and maternity package, but to get this you need to submit the matB1 form.

[Mymumsfurcoat]

Don't see the problem.

[Wingdingdong]

What happens if he tells them that you've already submitted it to your employer so don't have it?

[ColderThanAWitchsTitty]

You have to work for a company a little while before you are even eligible for paternity right? So how often are men making up babies to get 2 weeks off barely paid? And then hiding the fact that they haven't got kids.Surely you would just pull a sicky and self certify? And really the most they could pull the stunt off is once a year and if you have a baby inventing loon working for you more than one year... You really have bigger fish to fry than 130£ of wasted statutory paternity pay.

[Wingdingdong]

(My DH had to complete a separate declaration form - I have some vague memory of having to sign it to confirm that the dates were correct, but certainly didn't have to provide a MAT B1 - and yes, I had submitted mine to my employer by the time DH got round to applying for paternity leave, but he didn't need to do so by 26w or whatever it was).

[JoinYourPlayfuckers]

But really, it's not enough to ask a man to prove some woman he knows well enough to give him her Mat1B is pregnant.

To be sure, they'd need to be asking for in utero paternity tests.

[MrsMargoLeadbetter]

Sounds like the law is clear, OP doesn't need to share.

But I did wonder about shared mat leave which is now in place (I believe?).Is the company's request linked to the fact her DH could be informing them he'll be taking months off in the future?

[AnyFuckerGotBunnywhacked]

Dp keeps getting narky with me as I haven't asked my mw for my matb1 and apparently he thinks he won't get his paternity pay if he doesn't show them mine.
Now it is a bit more awkward for me to get mine as am not due to see mw again till the 13th and i don't want to make a trip out specially. As has been said legally they don't need to see it so why are they even asking for it I don't understand.
As has been said above it has no information on it other than name address edd etc why is it deemed necessary.

[Goldenhandshake]

YABU and touchy. Many workplaces will actually have policies in place stating they need the MATB1 as evidence of pregnancy despite the law, it helps in ensuring you don't get any 'fakers' - you would be suprised at how many men have tried it on to get extra leave over the years!

[Goldenhandshake]

It is also used in cases where a father would like to take additional paternity leave, so again, YABU.

[Summerblaze]

I had a mat b1 with dc1 and dc3 as I was working but I did not even ask for one with dc2 as I was a SAHM. DP's work have never asked for mine.

And don't the company save money too as they don't actually pay for the paternity leave and don't pay wages for that week.

YANBU although I would probably show mine as I wouldn't be all that bothered.

[Chattymummyhere]

I wouldn't give it to them both jobs my dh has had while I have been pregnant never asked, one would of even paid him his normal wage.

These are smaller companies though and the bosses knew me last pregnancy he was working for our friends dad.

[JustAnotherFucker]

They don't have a right to ask for it but they do legally have to have a completed SC3/4/5 or employers own equivalent form in order to legally pay the SPP.

I imagine they consider the MatB1 as 'their own version'

But I wouldn't be getting upset at data protection etc as matB1 has less personal info than the required SC forms anyway.

Summerblaze only 92% of SPP in larger organisations is reclaimable and these same organisations will also have audit procedures so proof may be required for that reason alone.

Smaller employers can claim 103% of the cost but the burden of proof is on the employer in the case of a payroll enquiry.