To have some sympathy for Nicola Edgington?

[lougle]

Report from BBC

This woman had killed before. She knew she was a danger to the public. She dialled 999 four times to tell them that she needed sectioning to prevent a killing.

I know she did what she did. I can't imagine what her victims' families are going through.

I do feel some sympathy for her though. She tried to get herself out of circulation.

[soulsurvive55]

Another local newspaper reporting on Oxleas Trust

www.bexleytimes.co.uk/news/number_of_oxleas_mental_health_patients_physically_restrained_above_national_average_1_2245946

[soulsurvive55]

We have to wait for some zombies to sort out the big bosses of Oxleas. Or are they the zombies responsible for the deaths of so many people they are supposed to care for?

[MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik]

Of course they can, it's just sometimes people don't notice so it's worth seeing it pop up in ThreadsImOn. Or that was my thinking, I've always found it helpful when other people do it.

[IneedAsockamnesty]

Sometimes zombie threads can be very interesting and have a continuation

[MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik]

This is a zombie thread.

[soulsurvive55]

The local newspapers have been voicing concerns for some time

www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/10284024.Multiple_homicides_by_Oxleas_mental_health_patients_besides_Nicola_Edgington/

[soulsurvive55]

BexleyFemale777 is the only one to be worried about the bosses of Oxleas Trust.

Read the stories here
www.avforums.com/forums/general-chat/1527283-nicola-edgington-2.html

www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/10464314.Oxleas_mental_health_trust_faces_High_Court_battle_after_Beckenham_mother_s_death/

[OhDearNigel]

I had dealings with her during the original murder investigation of her mother. A scary young woman. After that experience i cannot believe she was free to murder someone else. She should never have been released from secure accomodation

[mignonette]

Manipulative is a typical perjorative used about patients for various reasons.

In my experience as a RMN, a patient is most likely to be labelled as manipulative when a health or other professional lacks the skills to work with them and does not understand the mechanics of a personality disorder and the way it impacts upon functioning. They fail in their interactions with them and then project the feelings it engenders back onto the patient....

I have great sympathy for everyone affected by this awful, preventable tragedy.

[Alisvolatpropiis]

I think the victim was failed more than the murderer was in all honesty. But yes the murderer was failed too.

LadyPam Amber one of the least empathic people I have ever met, ,truly an unpleasant piece of work, is a fairly senior mental health professional with the authority to section people. My blood ran cold the moment the person said "if I had my way I'd have all the fucking nutters shot". I haven't seen them since.

[Flojobunny]

Latara don't be embarrassed. I hope you found the strength to make the call and have got some additional support.

[ATouchOfStuffing]

What I can't understand is how the judge called her actions 'selfish' ! Even in her mentally confused state she was trying to protect other people.

[AmberLeaf]

Hope you get it sorted and are feeling a bit better soon.

[Latara]

I know i should call my CCO but i get embarrassed; but i will call her.

[AmberLeaf]

Hi Latara.

Why not give your CCO a call to check?

[ike1]

I assume she was not sectioned at that point and therefore was free to go....no one is to blame...this was a very regrettable and VERY unusual case.

[Latara]

It is possible for stressful situations to bring on 'breakthrough' psychotic symptoms which is what i'm finding at the moment... i'm unsure whether to call my CCO or not because maybe i need my meds increasing.
Can i just say that i would never harm anyone else though just because i have this problem.

[Dawndonna]

Lack of empathy is also prevalent in psychopaths and ASD (to name the obvious)
That may well be the case with psychopaths. The latest research (Baron Cohen, Digby et al) demonstrates that in fact the opposite is frequently true.

[AmberLeaf]

Lack of empathy is also prevalent in psychopaths and ASD (to name the obvious) and loads of other conditions

That is not strictly true. [the ASD part]

There isn't just one type of empathy, people with ASD tend to lack cognitive empathy, but not emotional empathy, but there is a lot more to it than that which Im sure you know.

It's about putting yourself in their shoes and thinking about what might help them

That's one aspect of it yes, but again, a lot more to it than that.


Most people think they have empathy when really they have sympathy

Well I know the difference between the two.

[Flojobunny]

You'd be surprised what people say when they ring 999 or to hospital receptionists. But yes I'd have thought it was a good indication of psychosis.
But a hospital receptionist or indeed security can't hold someone.
The police could have though but I think they were sent away.

[Domjolly]

The people at reception and also again when she called the police she got frustrated that no one in the hospital was pay any notice to her if t hey just checked her blinking name

It took the police two minutes to check who i was when they pulled me over thinking i was a black man under my base ball cap last night at the pertol sataion so why couldnt they check i wouldnt of thought most people ring up and say i killed i might kill again please keep me locked up ffs

[Flojobunny]

Is that what she said? That is bad. But who did she say it to? The person on reception or the oncall psych?

[Domjolly]

I just cant belive somone walked into A&E said i have killed before i hearing voices and may kill again and they did what just let her walk out un bloodly belivable



If you cant get some one to save you from your self then i give up she even called police on herself in her despration

[Flojobunny]

Lack of empathy is also prevalent in psychopaths and ASD (to name the obvious) and loads of other conditions. What is your problem with personality disorder?