to ask you why you would vote Tory?

[Dromedary]

I have a nasty feeling that if an election were held now the Tories might get in again.
Lots of you out there support the Tories.
Some of the rest of us find that very hard to understand.
Can you explain your reasoning for us? I for one promise not to bash you for your views on this thread (but may do so on other threads).

[Alibabaandthe40nappies]

Iggly - chris made perfect sense. Again, a construct of the Left to choose to wilfully misunderstand any argument made against it.

And someone can want to contribute more personally, without believing that the government should have greater powers of interference.
Better to hand a cheque directly to a local school or hospital for them to spend on needed equipment or services, rather than pay it to the government who will spend Xp in the pound administering it and deciding where it should be spent - on carpets in Whitehall!

[Startail]

Truth is neither party helps the seriously disadvantaged.

The dear lad next doors hearts in the right place, but he's never had any family support. He needs a mentor as much as he needs money.

He needs a benefits system that recognises the difficulties of having temporary jobs in a transport free rural area.

He needs imaginative policies that are flexible and recognise that traveling 16 miles to the job centre isn't feasible.

The amount of time he spends on my phone sorting out the benefits office and desperately trying to insure his ancient car is huge.

He doesn't necessarily need more money, but reliable money. Constantly signing on and off is a nightmare. Having no savings and no way of borrowing money means when the car dies he loses his job.

It's a vicious circle that needs imagination as much as cash to solve.

[Alibabaandthe40nappies]

Startail that is a brilliant post.

[EdgarAllanPond]

"
Planning permission etc - the right of local people to say no to developments is being taken away. That is not localism."

it is a sensible deviation from localism, as locals almost always oppose development even when it can be seen to be very necessary on a regional/national level.

there is a housing shortage, so this is needed

[Iggly]

Again, a construct of the Left to choose to wilfully misunderstand any argument made against it how so? Where did I proclaims to be of "the left"? It was not coherent to me. I will read again but not hopeful.

Edgar, my point wasn't that it was a bad thing, just that the idea of localism isn't really cut out to be what some think it is.

[Iggly]

Read chris's post again. I'm not getting how the voting population can be split into two. That's stupid.

I'm a net contributor I assume. I don't vote to keep my money away from net takers. I don't see the world that way. Children, for example, are generally net takers - where do they fit in?

It's a simplistic and therefore silly argument.

[Roseformeplease]

Am a Tory voter who might just have to do the unthinkable and vote Labour in the next Scottish elections as a way of keeping the very, very scary Salmond out. He has people in his party advocating "social audits" of English people in positions of power in Scotland in order to find out if they are "colonists or settlers". Scary stuff. He is using the education system to push a pro-independence agenda (Scottish Studies anyone) and, after years of banging the independence drum, hasn't even got his policies sorted out or a coherent line on the pound or Eurpoe.

As you were.

[dreamingofsun]

roseform - don't really think its salmond's decision ref pound surely? if scotland is independant surely its the euro and he has no say in that - despite maybe wishful thinking on his part

[Alibabaandthe40nappies]

Dreaming it depends whether the EU accept Scotland as an independent nation immediately, or whether they need to apply and meet conditions.

It is a very interesting debate and process.

[dreamingofsun]

outraged - could you explain to me why people like my husband - who has worked hard at school, has a very responsible job with lots of stress, works very long hours away from home in a job he dislikes, should redistribute his large income to his brother who is much poorer and who has never worked hard in his life, or accepted any form of promotion offered to him because he doesn't like responsibility and refuses any jobs that are less than about a 15 min commute?

[dreamingofsun]

alib - so if they are accepted immediately they join the euro; but if they need to apply and meet conditions they won't have euro immediately and so will have to have something else in the interim, probably sterling? I hadn't realised that. I learn so much through MN!

[ForkInTheForeheid]

Nancy66

[hoopla17]

I too find it difficult to understand why anyone would vote Tory. Questionable to vote for any of them tbh, when you understand how the political system works. But voting Tory is a vote for self-serving politicians and by people with an "I'm alright Jack" attitude....

[AgathaMystery]

I voted for them once. To get the BNP out.

[ParmaViolets17]

Zombie thread!!

(Although kind of interesting to read the arguments from 4/5 years ago)

[PeanutButterBunny]

Why should I answer this, there are so many rude, ignorant comments already from lefty PPs. I hope the Tories win.

[NotYoda]

THIS THREAD IS 5 YEARS OLD

[needsahalo]

Why should I answer this, there are so many rude, ignorant comments already from lefty PPs. I hope the Tories win

And yet one poster wrote...

To piss off all the lefty scum

...as their sole reason for voting Tory.

[PeanutButterBunny]

Both sides have idiots. But the labour voters certainly act like they are saints. And I do not call them scums.

[hoopla17]

-NHS pushed to the brink of destruction & scrapping of NHS bursaries
-largest increase in public debt

• 400,000 uk kids living in poverty & 250,000 more since April '17 cuts
  

-sustained decline in real wages (10% lower than 2008)
-highest university fees and cuts to schoool education
-May cosying up to Saudi war criminals / and Turkish leader, Erdogan

........................ some of the reasons I couldn't vote Tory.......................


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