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to ask you why you would vote Tory?

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Dromedary · 21/12/2012 00:04

I have a nasty feeling that if an election were held now the Tories might get in again.
Lots of you out there support the Tories.
Some of the rest of us find that very hard to understand.
Can you explain your reasoning for us? I for one promise not to bash you for your views on this thread (but may do so on other threads).

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DadOnIce · 21/12/2012 13:24

The Lib Dems will possibly split, with a new left-leaning, genuinely liberal party emerging from the ashes and leaving the Orange Bookers behind?...

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SinisterBuggyMonth · 21/12/2012 13:26

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picketywick · 21/12/2012 13:28

If I was absolutely drunk and had lost my reason; I might just accidentally vote Tory and then volunteer to be sectioned. Putting a full page apology in all the national papers/

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RedToothbrush · 21/12/2012 13:29

I've voted Lib Dem, Tory and Labour in the past.

I've had reasons for all three and reasons against all three. I don't 'support' any of them.

Currently I find myself in a position, where I find Miliband weak beyond belief, and his key members of staff just utterly clueless. Three words out of the mouth of Ed Balls and I develop the urge to punch him in the face. The party has a hell of a lot of work to do before I can see them as credible and frankly intelligent enough to run the country.

In terms of Clegg and Cameron, I see an interesting thing. I actually think both are very close in personal belief and this is pretty much the only reason why the coalition was possible in the first place. The difference is purely the party they belong to and what they have to do to appease the rest of their party. I think its better to describe both as more libertarians with slightly different approaches rather than 'liberal' or 'conservative' in the traditional sense.

The fact that the more right wing elements of the conservative party are upset and UKIP is growing is telling. Whether you believe it or not, the political position of the Conservatives is shifting and its not the same as previously and it is Cameron who is driving that. And the Lib Dems are inevitably, as they always were going to be, being swallowed up in that process.

As for all this stuff about The Nasty Party. I do find it funny given that Alistair Darling has said since the election that he thinks the all the cuts have been the right thing to do, and that people have a pop at Cameron over his admiration for Thatcher, when Brown said exactly the same thing in 2007... The truth is, that I do believe we'd be in exactly the same situation right now, regardless of who won the election. but its easy to draw on the old stereotypes and cliches to demonise the current government rather than reflect on the reality of what our options really were back in 2010 and whether we ever had a chance to choose a different direction at all anyway.

At the last election I had the luxury of being in a rare area where all three main parties had a realistic opportunity of being elected. It wasn't an easy decision, and in the end I voted tactically. From what I understand, thats what a hell of a lot of people did, rather than vote FOR a party. They tended to vote AGAINST another. It was about the lesser of all the evils available. Personally I wanted elements of both the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, but not the looney tunes at either end of the party. Amazingly I got that. And I still believe that given all the scenarios available, its was probably the best one, though still hugely flawed.

So what will I vote in the next election? Again, it'll be tactical I suspect and something I decide on the day. I fear UKIP being a realistic prospect at the next election, especially in my constituency. And that scares the life out of me.

In truth, right wing elements fucking off to UKIP, actually make the Conservatives more electable to me, but that doesn't mean I actually WANT to still vote for them.

TBH I'm hoping that there will be a rise of a bunch of independent candidates that pop up in time for the election and raise a whole bunch of issues and do some agenda setting as a result. I think people are dissatisfied enough for this to be a possibility, I think that social media means its a greater possibility to be able to run an effective campaign and this is coupled with a public desire to look for alternatives.

Heres to hoping.

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picketywick · 21/12/2012 13:30

Jeremy Kyle mentioned. Cameron and Nadine are not getting on. They should go on the Kyle show and give us all a laugh.

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AudrinaWhiteChristmasAdare · 21/12/2012 13:35

I think I'd go berserk and take a sledgehammer to the television if all three of them were on my screen at once.

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picketywick · 21/12/2012 13:52

Yes, Audrina. It would be a challenge. Kyle chasing Cameron an Nadine down the corridor shouting. "Come back the detector tests are coming through . You cud be related."

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Ephiny · 21/12/2012 14:18

So does any of this help answer your question, OP?

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diabolo · 21/12/2012 14:37

I vote Tory because:

  • I agree with the principles of moderate Conservatism (capitalism, no "state" telling us what we can and can't do down to the last minutiae, the idea that by working hard you can make a good life for your family, property ownership, aspiration, state benefits when needed, not as a way of life).


  • I think the welfare system in this country needs an even more dramatic overhaul than it is currently undergoing. I work in a school in a rough area and frequently see some parents of kids on FSM buying booze and scratchcards at the local shop at 9.30am. I know not everyone on benefits does this, but people on MN in the past have been overly quick to call me a liar about this. I am not lying. I see it, on at least a weekly basis.


  • I don't want everything dumbed down to the lowest common denominator.


  • I like competition.


  • I want a choice of schools and healthcare.


  • Many public sector departments need a whole new ethos. This would never even be suggested under a Labour government.


So there you have it.
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chris481 · 21/12/2012 15:11

British politics is very simple. The poorer half of the population tries to use the power of the ballot box to put its hand in the pocket of the other half, and the other half tries to resist.

(When I looked at the ONS figures, half of households were net contributors to the state and half net takers. The figure was so precise that it was presumably by design.)

Each half has a party that represents its interest.

The left uses morality as cover for redistribution. This is nonsense, if morality were the main driver, the money raised would be spent in the third world.

Many people believe this cover story though, and as a logical consequence believe that people who oppose them must be immoral, they therefore feel justified in expressing hatred and abuse towards them. (Some may call the right the "nasty party" because of their policies, but the left is where the personally nasty people are.)

Because of the (false) perception of the moral high-ground, some people like to publically express their left-wing views. I think they are similar to people who go around expressing anti-peadophile views. It's a way of building up self-esteem by finding someone else to despise.

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SmileyPenguin · 21/12/2012 15:43

I like the Tories as they tend to be the party of lower taxes.

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autumnlights12 · 21/12/2012 17:20

brilliant post Chris.

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LittleFrieda · 21/12/2012 17:26

I really resent the lazy assumption that Tory voters are selfish, greedy and uncaring members of society.

I like the post earlier in this thread where the poster asserts that selfish people vote Tory. He'She then goes on to explain that she will certainly not vote Tory as due to Tory cutbacks she might lose her job.

I quite like the idea of the benefit card, so long as it's discreet. Perhaps M&S Money could issue and run the cards?

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ForkInTheForeheid · 21/12/2012 17:32

chris481
That is a gross over-simplifiication of people's voting tendencies and political views. Do you really think only net "takers" believe in wealth redistribution? I agree that there is a moral problem with the reliance on the poor in other countries for our own wealth, but I don't think that's particularly a problem of the left. My BIL is a case in point, a very high earner in a big company who wishes he paid more tax, he is a contributor who wishes to contribute more.

I don't express my left-wing views to increase my self-esteem, I feel deeply guilty about the set-up of this country and the advantages I have (despite not being a wealthy person myself) and think we need to seek a more egalitarian way of doing things.

To say that half the population (the "takers") are trying to put their hands in the pockets of the net contributors ignores the fact that the rich can only remain so on the backs of the poor, of this country and of others.

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Nancy66 · 21/12/2012 17:39

ForkInTheForeheid - your brother can contribute more via charitable donations. He can contribute as much as he wants. Saying he wants to do more but he isn't taxed enough is daft.

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TheOriginalSteamingNit · 21/12/2012 17:40

The left uses morality as cover for redistribution but what do you think is their 'real' reason then?

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OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos · 21/12/2012 17:44

The real reason is the same as the reason the rich want to stay rich. Greed. Except when you earn the riches yourself, it's ok. When you want to take other people's, it's not.

There is a massive problem with wealth distribution, but Robin Hood tactics aren't going to solve it.

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TheOriginalSteamingNit · 21/12/2012 17:48

I don't get it: why is it greedy? Or do you mean everyone in favour of any redistribution is, him/herself, poor and hoping to receive some of it?

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Iggly · 21/12/2012 17:50

Those who talk about a small state under the Tories, they don't push the localism agenda in practice. It's bollocks.

Local authorities have no power to increase council tax for example because they've been bribed into not doing it - they lose money from central government (which makes up the higher chunk of their funding). That is not localism.
Education - academies are freed from local authority control and under central gov control. That is not localism.
Planning permission etc - the right of local people to say no to developments is being taken away. That is not localism.

It's a load of rubbish.

The Tories represent the interest of the individual - its all about self interest and "me". Inherently selfish IMO.

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Iggly · 21/12/2012 17:51

Speak in plain English chris. You make no sense.

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OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos · 21/12/2012 17:52

I don't mean that everyone who is in favour of redistribution wants more for themselves, but I do think that wanting more for yourself and those you care about is part of it.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that though.

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LittleFrieda · 21/12/2012 18:01

Chris is making perfectly legible sense. Iggly, you are just being rude.

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Startail · 21/12/2012 18:02

Actually there is a less than exceptionally small chance that anyone would else would have put up with DH this morning as he was in a fowl mood.

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Startail · 21/12/2012 18:03

Christmas cheer was seriously lacking

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PessaryPam · 21/12/2012 18:05

I have conservative principles so I will vote UKIP next election.

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