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but I'd like to attend a playgroup where the other mum's actually see me as an equal

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StayatHomeDad78 · 19/10/2011 15:14

I attend a local playgroup, where I'm the only regular dad that goes (other dad's have come and gone within a month). I've been going every week for 2 and a half years since my daughter was 6 months old, in that time only a few of the mothers and carers attempt to chat with me, is it because I'm a dad? (When I tell people that I'm the only dad at our playgroup they seem to think the other mothers would flock round me) I've seen other newcomers (female may I add!) Being welcomed with open arms but my main gripe is that in the past 2 and a half years my daughter has had 3 birthday's (work it out, we started going when she was 6 months and now she's 3) and not once has her birthday been celebrated. This year I tried to remind the women who run the playgroup by telling them 2 weeks before the summer holidays that it was her birthday at the end of August and that we were going away for the whole 6 weeks so if she could have happy birthday sung to her the following week and they both said 'it's ok we've sorted it' the following week came and went, the 6 weeks holiday came and went now 6 weeks later still no sign of that little cake with the candle for my daughter, oh but there have been for other children. To say I'm angry is putting it politely. I only attend because my daughter loves it there. I need some advice what do think I should do?

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lemniscate · 19/10/2011 17:12

I'm a woman but don't fit into every playgroup I've tried and find some have rules that I could never hope to understand! I have found some awfully cliquey groups where you couldn't break into friendship groups (gave them all a few tries and then just abandoned them) and then thankfully some playgroups that I found very welcoming indeed. I have spoken to dads when they have come to my playgroup - I would speak to you :) I think you probably need to try new playgroups to see which suits best and forget this one - lots of groups are much more open than this one seems (it sounds quite closed and cliquey). You and your DD are better off without it I think.

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AnnieLobeseder · 19/10/2011 17:12

I went to a local playgroup with DD1 for 2 years, no-one spoke to me once. It was just a nasty playgroup. With DD2 I moved to another playgroup and they were lovely. I should imagine it's more about the people at the playgroup than your gender.

exoticfruits - I was that mother at DD2's nursery last year. Blush

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WindingMeUp · 20/10/2011 16:49

Annie Did you speak to anyone yourself? How did they react if you did?

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exoticfruits · 20/10/2011 16:53

I think that OP is finding that it is nothing to do with being a man-women have the same problem. I should think that it is quite common Annie-people just assume knowledge.

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RosemarysBassoon · 20/10/2011 17:00

It sounds as if you're not on chatting terms with the leaders of the playgroup which may or may not be your fault.

We have only one regular dad at the playgroup I help to run, and he is possibly the most involved parent there. We know he'll always bring cakes when they're needed, he helps out in the kitchen at coffee time, he doesn't mind asking us for clarification on upcoming events he hasn't taken part in before and he seems to like chatting to all of us. He's a really helpful person so he's become popular.

I don't think you're having problems because you're a man, I think it's because there is a problem with communication.

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Ragwort · 20/10/2011 17:06

You need to offer to help, offer to get involved, there must be some form of 'committee' or organiser- just speak up. I don't think its anything to do with you being a Dad - more that you just don't seem to bother to get involved and help. You have said that it is run by volunteers - so why don't you volunteer to do something?

I was involved in playgroups for many years Grin - even after my DS went to full time school and it is usually the same people volunteering to organisie things and the same people doing nothing and complaining.

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AnnieLobeseder · 21/10/2011 21:24

Winding - I did try talking to people, but I'm not very good at it, and people I'd had a conversation with one week would go straight back to ignoring me the next week. I read the storytime story, did crafts etc, and they made grateful noises, but didn't include me in their quiche.

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AnnieLobeseder · 21/10/2011 21:26

Just to add, the singular dad at our nice toddler group joined the committee and was welcomes by everyone; he's just good at chatting to people. But he did get a bit annoyed by everyone else using the building asking him to do all the DIY while he was there!

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MillyR · 21/10/2011 21:36

I think that things sometimes just get confused and go wrong. When DS was 3, another little boy was 1 on the same day. The play group leader said she didn't know about DS being 3 that day, and when I told her, she said she only had a cake for the one year old and so they were only singing happy birthday to him.

Luckily the mum of the 1 year old insisted the cake and singing was shared. I would otherwise just have said nothing but would have been really upset, which is stupid. I should have spoken up.

So if things are going awry, just say something.

Sorry to ramble on, but it was a painful memory!

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smackapacca · 21/10/2011 21:39

My DH takes our DCs to playgroup once a week. THe ladies love him. They even updated the sign at his request 'mothers & toddler & John's group!'

I think you might need to find a new group or a new voice.

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scotgirl · 21/10/2011 21:47

I ran a toddler group for a couple of years. It sounds like, even after this time, you are very much on the outside.

It could be that the people who run it aren't interested in you and and aren't particularly friendly. If you had been coming to my group for over 2 years tbh, I would have expected you to volunteer to be on the committee and be helping set up, with the teas etc!!

Your DD is getting pretty old for a toddler group now - maybe it's is time to try something new and move onwards and upwards. Maybe a traditional playgroup where you leave your kid and it is run by play leaders. Maybe a music or gym class instead.

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Morloth · 21/10/2011 21:52

Playgroups are all different, you have to try a few on before you find the right one.

We don't have an organiser exactly. One mum sorts out the hall and we all give her money towards that bit otherwise we all take turns bringing in stuff.

I have been to some quite unfriendly ones. My current one is fab, we all make an effort with new people. We have a couple of regular dads, nobody sees them differently.

It isn't you, it is that particular playgroup.

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falasportugues · 21/10/2011 21:53

Annie and sahd78 I can't believe you stuck it so long. I admire your perseverence. However, playgroup is there for parents to support one another, as much as for kids to play in a group. If you are not getting anything positive out of it, find another one. I found the informal one in community house on estate more relaxed and open than tightly organised sure start ones.[hsmile]

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Nicdigby · 21/10/2011 22:02

My thoughts:

  1. I think the birthday thing is because it is an end of August birthday. Singing happy birthday to someone whose birthday is a month away is just plain wierd. It's got nothing to do with anything else.

  2. If you still want it to happen, bring the cake yourself, plonk a couple of candles in it , and say " can we sing happy birthday to my DD today, here's the cake". Else she misses out and will be upset". Be pro-active.

  3. Again, be pro-active and ASK about whether you need to bring things to picnics etc. It's not a case of secret meetings for the mums! It's just a case of saying (as I often do) "can I ask, because I haven't been to one of these before, is there anything that I should bring?" to the volunteers. Or to one of the regular mums.

  4. Try talking to people yourself! Say that you feel a bit strange being the only dad but would like to make friends.

  5. explain to the volunteers that "I have been coming here for a couple of years now. I wonder if I can offer to help? Could I help to tidy up or set up? And by the by, I feel a bit strange being the only dad here and I was wondering if you could help me by introducing me to a couple of people who you feel I would get on with?"
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grumplestilskin · 21/10/2011 22:15

I think having read all your posts so far, that what has happened would have happened to any mum. Honestly I'ld find you odd, male or female, for wanting a birthday do when its not her birthday just cause you think everyone else had one so its not fair! Hmm wouldn't endeer you to me

and the picnic thing, see if it was me I'ld just kick myself for being a numpty, I would never go to a picnic without savories and blanket for my DC and the cakes was because they prob thought you were asking what EXTRAS to bring, other than the obvious! but you sat there seething at the people who DID pack sensible things to keep their DCs happy for the duration, then you expect them to find you to be friend material?

I think you sound like you go there with a chip, which is picked up on and people oblige by giving you a wide berth

and playgroups are not generally services provided by a company, you bring what you need and whatever extra you want to share! If you want your DC to have a cake cause its her birthday minus whatever amt of weeks, well, err, bring one yourself! that's what I'ld do!

the dad thing might actually be a convienient excuse for you to not have to think about whether your expectations Vs your contributions are realistic, and whether personality wise its perhaps not the group for you. Do you LIKE those women? If you don't YABU for wanting them to like you and pulling the dad card if they don't!

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biscuitmad · 21/10/2011 22:26

I would be annoyed as well.

Most playroups have a list at the back of the registration form. Next time you attend go up to the person in charge and ask do you keep a record of the childrens birthdays? I would like to see it please as my little girl is never mentioned or sung happy birthday to.

Some playgroups like you to take in cakes for your childs birthday. My lo birthday falls on half term so we sing it at playgroups a week early.

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