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AIBU?

...to have difficulty trusting DH?

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Lunabelly · 01/07/2011 09:57

Ok, in a nutshelly but long post, our old flat, our NDN was apparently my best friend, one night at a party, she and DH were caught in a toilet cubicle (how very classy), then she spent the following fourteen hours in my home because she wouldn't leave, then I was slowly dripfed horror upon horror by the two people I trusted most. :(

But HEY! Apparently they didn't sleep together. (I believe they did and I believe I know when)

The only reason I forgave DH was the fact that I found out that we were at least victim number three. (I have reports that she is now onto a new victim but that's another thread!)
Because this is what she does. Wheedles in, goes for your husband. And I had nowhere to hide from her because she was right next door.
So in the course of mending our marriage (which was hard due to the constant cackling from next door), our DS was concieved, and quite frankly, my son saved my life.
OK, so she tries to wheedle in again, fails, stalks and harasses me to the point we have to get the police involved. They read all the letters and texts, and told us we should have dialled 999 on at least two occasions. Just knowing that they took me seriously and were in my corner was a huge comfort. But I couldn't go into my beautiful garden because she would go into her garden, and start playing love songs such as I am a Woman in Love , really loudly. She would go into my front garden and to weeding and cut MY buddleaia back, approach and touch my DCs on the school run, and cackle for hours on end. Even worse, her long suffering DH would have a go at me for upsetting her - I had ordered her off my property. Confused

What with that, my DH having shaken me to my core and the fact that we were by then six of us in a one-bed flat, I had a slight breakdown all over the floor and ended up on strong antidepressants.
At this point I need to say that after our first DC together, DH pretty well much withdrew affection and relations. Having found out what I found out on that night , I presume that seeing the birth brought back memories for him and so apart from the marriage mending days, our sex-life is pretty much zero. I try to understand because of what happened to him, but it is hard to live without affection, especially when you have issues and anxieties - although I have always been...quirky, these issues got worse while living in that flat and after DD was born - this is maybe why mum hates DH.

So, after my meltdown, we managed to get housed and now I have found the strength to come off the chemical cosh and am fast becoming the Lunabelly I once was. So we are at the present day.

He has recently joined twitter. Yesterday, because I obviously feel a need to keep vague tabs on him, I looked at his profile page, and there was a porno type profile that he was following. So I looked through his list of people he follows, and there were about 15 pornoesque profiles. So I fired off a text along the lines of "I should have fucking slit my wrists when you were first caught out because all these years I have forgiven you and tried to accept our affectionless marriage and YOU'RE FUCKING LOOKING AT PORN"

So he did his usual overreaction by saying "They weren't porno, and I'm giving up work because if I'm with you 24/7 you'll learn to trust me"
I told him, if we had a normal marriage, it wouldn't have bothered me so much, but the fact that we don't, well, it's like a punch to the heart.
Yes, I have put on weight - because of the pills, stopping smoking and being so bloody unhappy, but HIS past had infected our marriage long before the weight gain. Again, I do my best to be understanding in that department.

We DO love each other, and we know we need to communicate, but everytime I try and open a dialogue, he does his hissy fit. I asked him if we should end it so I can find someone who actually loves me, and he gets upset and says "NO! I love you".

Sooooo...after that long post (so you can't accuse me of drip-feeding!), AIBU for having trust issues? WWYD?

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PrettyMeerkat · 02/07/2011 10:02

He needs to accept responsibility for the affair. The fact that she is a serial husband shagger is neither here nor there, nor if the fact that he was hurt as a child.

You are making excuses for him.

A lot of men go off of sex after seeing their wife have a baby (usually just in the short term) and most of them haven't been hurt as a child.

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WhereYouLeftIt · 01/07/2011 21:03

"... but he then gets upset, and tells me that he knows he has problems, that he loves me etc and that I should know that."

He knows he's got problems. Agreed. But by not dealing with them, he's making them YOUR problems. I think it's going to need to be an ultimatum -he gets help or the marriage is over and it's all his fault. Sad

Going out with friends sounds a good idea, you could do with spending time with people you can relax with.

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scottishmummy · 01/07/2011 20:35

your dh no victim he had consensual jiggy

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Xales · 01/07/2011 20:20

The only reason I forgave DH was the fact that I found out that we were at least victim number three.

As long as you pretend your husband was a victim and allow him to pretend also you will never resolve this.

He was never a victim. She didn't just grab him by the shirt, drag him into her house and shag him.

It was a premeditated build up that your husband allowed himself and gave himself permission to go further every time. From the acknowledgement that they were attracted to each other, the first touch, the first kiss etc.

You husband was as complicit as her every step of the way no matter if she had done this before or not.

If you want to save your marriage you need to go and get counselling and talk about all aspects of your marriage and your H needs counselling to get over his so called past. You cannot self diagnose this it needs proper sorting.

If he over stepped boundaries with regards to twitter then you need to have a conversation along with your counselling about boundaries and what is acceptable.

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PrettyMeerkat · 01/07/2011 19:54

He needs to get help for what happened to him as a child.

I don't see how the 2 of you can continue otherwise as his behaviour is making you feel rejected. Even though facing up to what happened won't be easy he needs to realise the impact it all has on you.

I don't think it is fair of him to expect you to stay in a sexless relationship.

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Lunabelly · 01/07/2011 17:17

I have suggested we end it as even though I love him he'd clearly rather we weren't together, but he then gets upset, and tells me that he knows he has problems, that he loves me etc and that I should know that.

Well, no, I'm not a mind reader, and constant rejection over seven years kind of makes you think other things.

Anyway. I have told him that I am going to start going out with my friends - a lot - and if he doesn't like that, well, tough. My life is fast running away from me, I've spent almost all of my 30s in a deep depression, I'm made to feel as wanted as a dose in a brothel, so am going to grab some of that life back .

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wrongdecade · 01/07/2011 17:04

Tbh I'd be liable to leave he clearly doesnt seem to care,

I feel awful as im saying that but it seems apparent

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WhereYouLeftIt · 01/07/2011 17:01

... but it doesn't change anything? Sad

I cannot see how your marriage can continue if he will not engage.

As you said, the porn would be less of a problem if your marriage was 'normal'. But what it says is that he feels the need for sex, but not with you. Massive rejection. Massive.

What has he said about going for counselling? Either singly or joint?

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Lunabelly · 01/07/2011 16:06

He says he does but...

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WhereYouLeftIt · 01/07/2011 15:57

And can he genuinely not see how this shrinking from a caress (which to me is intimacy rather than sex) could make you feel rejected and sad?

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Lunabelly · 01/07/2011 15:51

I think seeing me in pain maybe re-reinforced the idea that sex=pain=horror, because of his childhood. That's just my armchair psychology, but, at the risk of TMI, we were swinging from the chandeliers the morning I went into labour, then as soon as she was born - boom. He went from rampant sexytime at the drop of a hat to visibly shrinking from me if I caressed his face say.

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WhereYouLeftIt · 01/07/2011 15:43

Lunabelly, I know that you say that you love each other, but - patently - love is not always enough.

"He was hurt as a child, I did not know this until the night they were caught. She knew." So there's a double betrayal, because he shared something with her that he didn't with you.

You cannot continue whilst your marriage remains in the state that it is, and you know it. You know that you and he need to talk, and you know he doesn't want to.You know the marriage will crumble if his state of denial continues. What you don't know is how to change things so that he will TALK. And sadly neither do I. Could you persuade him to Relate or other counselling? It may take the threat of his marriage ending to make him face up to it?

You say birth of your first child is when he changed - what do you mean by that? Did you shift from lover to mother in his head? What?

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magicmelons · 01/07/2011 15:26

If i was with someone who had cheated with my friend, stopped showing me affection and made me horribly insecure then i would leave because anything would be better than that.

The porn is the issue the trust is and you must be awfully on edge Sad for you.

You deserve better than that and you would probably happier on your own eventually.

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Lunabelly · 01/07/2011 15:16

NDN = next door neighbour.

He was hurt as a child, I did not know this until the night they were caught. She knew.

If he had told me, I would have understood why he freaked if, say, I kissed him on passing in the hall, and not done it. Instead of standing there dazed and confused and wondering wtf just happened.

But everything was fine until the birth - can only presume the pain etc whirred some cogs in his brain?

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PrettyMeerkat · 01/07/2011 13:08

What does NDN mean?

Also what do you mean about the birth bringing back memories for him and this "I try to understand because of what happened to him".

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worraliberty · 01/07/2011 12:50

I think both of you need to face up to what he did. He was not a victim...the other men this woman is going after are not victims either..but grown adults who can choose/not choose to be faithful to their wives.

He needs to admit to having sex with her and you need to sit and discuss it before you can both move on properly from it.

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Lunabelly · 01/07/2011 12:30

LiptickGal Addicted to the drama? Oh hell no, I just want a quiet life with my babies and a loving husband. I had quite enough drama growing up with a violent alcoholic thanks!!! :)
I do sometimes fantasise about leaving though, I cannot lie. But at the end of the day, we love each other. Everything was great until the day I gave birth to our DD. He denies it, but that is the exact moment he changed.

Yes, he did make his choice, but she also made a choice to do that to me, and several other women. The best way to describe her is as a shark, scenting blood in the water. If this has been a first offence (so to speak) for her as well, he would have been out of the door.

The police have told me to dial 999 if she turns up on my doorstep again, (this was pre-move), due to her getting fatal attraction on me. NOT bloody him, but ME. She didn't send endless texts and letters and harrass HIM, but me. Why? Hopefully she's too engrossed in her current victims to bother finding us.

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skybluepearl · 01/07/2011 12:13

ok just read your recent post. can you tell him that you both go to Relate or some other therapy/councelling together or you will leave?

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skybluepearl · 01/07/2011 12:11

i think the blame for your hubbies unfaithfulness has to be laid fair and square on your hubbys shoulders and not the NDN. He is responible for his own actions and he chose to be unfaithful to you. He did it and he is the one in a relationship with you - not the NDN.

Good idea to keep a log of incidents with the NDN. Best try and act uninterested/not bothered as it sounds like she is desperate for a reaction. Maybe get the poice involved if nes.

The porn is neither here or there in my opinion. I*'d be upset if my hubby was doing that but it's something that could be worked through. Maybe if you are both feeling unfullfilled you needs to go to Relate for sessions.

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Lipstickgal · 01/07/2011 12:08

Also -You don't need his permission to leave. You are free to anytime. Take back your power within this relationship. The fact that you are asking him shows that you aren't serious but just looking for affirmation. In what way can you say that you love each other?
Are you confusing love with dependency?

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Lipstickgal · 01/07/2011 12:03

Oh yes and your husband was not a victim. He made a choice.

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Lipstickgal · 01/07/2011 12:01

You can leave this relationship you know.
It is not unreasonable to expect more.
You may be fundamentally incompatible.
You may be addicted to the drama and it could be making you ill.
I think you need some space from all of this to clear your head.

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Lunabelly · 01/07/2011 11:49

Am not anti-porn per se, but angry that he will not give me any affection because of his issues, but will have pornbots pals on bloody twitter. If we had a normal relationship, I wouldn't have reacted so strongly.

WrongDecade - we managed to move away, so don't have her in my face any more, she has a new victim now by all accounts :(

He was in no way a victim, and it does take two - but she has history, this is her hobby - I don't know if she is so messed up that she wants to be other people and have what they have?
But if it wasn't the discovery that we were her most recent targets and for our DS, I would have packed up the kids and left him to stew in his own doorstep dump!

But he will NOT talk about it. I need some closure on some issues. Look, he and I deal with things in different ways. He avoids, is of the opinion "well, that affair is over so it's ok" whereas I need answers and will talk about my mistakes so I can learn from them, because it's not ok.

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wrongdecade · 01/07/2011 11:12

your DH and ow sound like nutters tbh he should be trying harder to gain your trust and frankly I would leave her to it, sounds like she feeds off attention seeking behaviour,

has he tried to make it up to you OP? or just brush it uder the carpet?

I also don't think DH was a victim , he went along with it as much as she did t does sound like you leaving all the blame at her door.

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Cocoflower · 01/07/2011 10:47

Im sorry, I dont mean to signal anyone out on this issue but I think the porn is a huge part of the problem.

Not all men look at porn by any means. Many women and men have objections to porn especially in a marriage it is not something that is just the norm.

And the OP is someone who does object strongly to porn so this very valid and very relevant.

The OP DH has cheated on her, won't comminicate and doesnt want sex but is happy to invest time into porn stars on the internet.

That is very insulting and I can see why you would be so hurt op.

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