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AIBU to think that this couple were psycho crazies ???

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Thruaglassdarkly · 28/06/2011 02:39

Ok, we were at a local garden centre yesterday. We went there deliberately because they have a new softplay in with the cafe. The frame takes up to 30 kids (according to the notice) and it is surrounded by perspex, around the edge of which are cafe tables. There are 3 chairs in the entrance of this play area/frame. presumably are which for parents of very young users.
Yesterday, we arrived with our 2 DDs aged 6 and 3. We sat outside of the perspex area next to the door and in full view of the frame. Our kids were the only ones in the play frame for ages. They are good kids and there has never been any complaints about them ever in all the years we've been going to softplays. I have watched them closely over this time and they only ever seem to be the ones getting hit/pushed/chased by others - if at all. When this has occurred, I've had a quiet word with the kid who was hitting/pushing or simply told my kids to stay away from the kid who is hitting/pushing - even at times I've suggested they invite him or her to play with them instead of pushing etc. If my kids are ever out of line whether we are at home or out, then they get warned once and after that we leave. I do NOT tolerate my kids pushing/hitting etc other kids, end of.
So yesterday. my kids had been playing nicely for ages, when another family came into the playplace. I had already told my oldest DD she could not swing on the ropes if another child came in as she's knocked both her sister and a smaller child over in previous weeks by her swinging. Not at all on purpose, but still, accidents can be avoided with a bit of forethought, I always think!

A while later, after this family arrived, this chav guy appears demanding to know if those are my kids in the frame because they are "bullying" his baby. My hackles go right up - my kids are in the shit BIG time if they are doing this and I charge into the perpex area with the express intention of sorting this out with them. But do I get the chance? NO - because Mrs Chav starts laying into me the second I appear through the perspex door. Why am I not watching every move they make? What kind of slack arsed parent am I? My (tiny 13kg) 3 year old who has a dummy to sleep, wears nappies for bed and who regularly poos her pants - in short, she's small and immature for her age - has pushed their 2 year old twice (NOT acceptable at all, I know, and I was so ready to pull DD out of there and tell her what for!). What's more, my sensible 6 year old has asked their 2 year old for a password to go into the ball pit. I roasted her about this later but she said although she asked this question, the password had been whatever the little girl had said and that she'd no way stop her going into the ball pit.

The thing is, they rail at us for 20 minutes or so, telling me NOT to take my kids home, it's my fault for not watching their every move, why should I punish them, when I'm the rubbish mother aren't I etc etc. At this point, we're thinking we have to get our kids and ourselves away from these two crazies, because they were really wigging out. She starts mimicking me - her husband looms in threateningly. I just want to say, stop it you mentalists! I'll sort my kids out and discipline them accordingly for their transgressions, but this is not enough for them. They want to make things personal, to mock, to mimic, to scorn, she's waving her hands about, mimicking my husband and I having a chat over coffee etc in a scary and unhinged manner - in short, the security guard came in the end and I was glad. It was like some crazed nightmare.

End of the day, my kids needed a quiet word and an apology/hug to the little girl in question/ That was all. They have been hit/kicked/pushed a thousand times at these places and I would never dream of launching an unhinged attack on their parents. You just say to the kids, "Oi - be NICE!! End of. You don't even have to involve their parents.
Please note that their 2 yo was non-plussed and not remotely distressed by my renegade DD's behaviour. Still, not the point.

The point was my kids upset another kid. They needed a telling off. I was going to give that. However, rather than allow me to do so, the parents of this other kid, railed at me for 20 minutes. I ended up telling them that if they behaved like that when their kids started school, they'd end up having fights on the playground and that they jolly well needed to calm down alot and behave like adults.

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PrettyMeerkat · 29/06/2011 12:23

redwineformethanks I think phrases like "psycho crazies" are deeply offensive to people with genuine mental health . It does remind me of some of the language people used in school playgrounds in the 1970's - spastic, mongol etc.

Really??? I have just recovered from mental health issues after suffering for several years, my husband has on going issues and a close relation of mine killed themselves because of it . . . but I don't find it offensive! When someone makes a comment like "psycho crazies" they quite clearly are not referring to a person with mental health issues, but to someone who is behaving in a way which is rather scary and out of the ordinary/over the top. You can chose to be offended by things (as you obviously are) or you can chose to see it how it is meant.

Spastic and Mongol were never the same thing as they were said in a way that was supposed to be offensive rather then in this case where the OP has described a persons behaviour.

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CheerfulYank · 29/06/2011 09:30

YANBU. I would be upset they had done that to my children probably, but if you seem apologetic and dealt with it, well, no harm done. All children kick up a bit every now and then don't they? Confused

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PrettyMeerkat · 29/06/2011 09:00

Bast I'm sorry to hear that you have been through a terrible time, but still yu are wrong to suggest that the OP shouldn't have a coffee break just because you never do Confused

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Thruaglassdarkly · 28/06/2011 22:02

Thanks Bast Smile - you too. Yes, open spaces fill me with terror with two if I'm on my own with them! Again, if you have tips to make that experience less stressful, would love to hear. Now I'm really "Hover Parent" BIG time in parks and the like. I'm the one stalking behind them, periodically barking their names and insisting they stay near to me - Funtime Mummy, yeah! And at toddler groups I never let DD out of my sight for a minute tbh. Just, I give them a bit more independance at soft play cos of the logistics and because it's enclosed so they can't escape. My oldest is pretty sensible, but the young one would break free at the first opportunity still...Wink

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Bast · 28/06/2011 21:07


I rarely attend the bloody places! Wink
(Soft play, not garden centres. I love garden centres.)

Of course, open spaces are a risky alternative with so many of them to keep an eye on!

Your last posting makes perfect sense (to me at least, for what it's worth!). You come across as very considerate (and rather vigilant too! Grin).
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Thruaglassdarkly · 28/06/2011 20:12

Wow - respect Bast! So sorry to hear. You sound like you've had a really hard time too. Our parents all died since we had our kids and I'm an only child, my husband's American, so his family are thousands of miles away. I honestly don't know how you manage alone though. Must be so hard.

As I said, I was watching them, but happening to have a cup of tea/talking to my husband at the same time, so probably not staring at their every single move, no. I was even sitting with my chair turned to face the play area. Their misdemeanors occured in the ballpit, tucked away underneath the frame. There are only ever one or two parents in that bit as there's not room for more and it tend to be the parents of very small early walkers, not people with kids my kids' ages. They should have priority I feel, as their kids are likely to need the most help on the equipment. When my kids were younger, I'd have stayed in there with them too, but seriously, they were about a metre nearer the kids than we were and they were talking to each other too. Like I said, the other playplaces around here have miles less visibility, so parents can't see the kids the whole time anyway. What would you do then? I'm a pretty vigilant mum, honestly!

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Bast · 28/06/2011 16:51

Sorry, obviously, suicide and cancer took my family. X had an affair.

What's respite? Wink

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Bast · 28/06/2011 16:48

Thru, thanks to suicide, cancer and affairs, I was on my own with four under six. Having no one to turn to for 5 minutes to yourself ever can be quite difficult Smile

However, in the evenings, sometimes, I have a break. The rest of the time, I'm mainly parenting.

...and I think your OP goes to show that not everyone else is having a coffee break whilst your kids play, even if you are.

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JanMorrow · 28/06/2011 16:43

YANBU. Try and forget it, they're obviously weirdos! Don't waste your time worrying about their behaviour.

If I'd been there I'd have wanted to say "and what is your current behaviour teaching YOUR children?" but I wouldn't have dared..

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redwineformethanks · 28/06/2011 16:42

I think phrases like "psycho crazies" are deeply offensive to people with genuine mental health . It does remind me of some of the language people used in school playgrounds in the 1970's - spastic, mongol etc. I'm glad that you have taken on board people's comments about that though.

I think you're getting a hard time about the password thing and I'm a little surprised people have such strong views about it. Just sounds like fun to me, although I can understand why it might be a good idea to explain to your DD that other people might be sad if they don't understand the rules of the game and think they're being excluded from the ball pit.

I think the other parents were out of order

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DoMeDon · 28/06/2011 16:36

They sound horrid. I agree that a smaller child might be intimidated by the password game when they don't understand it and don't know the other child; but that behaviour should be managed on both sides - younger child to lighten up, older child to make it clear it is a GAME. Some parents make days out so much harder - I sometimes feel I am wasting my time instilling manners when some of the other DC we encounter are allowed to run riot but then I remember it's worth it for our family.

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Thruaglassdarkly · 28/06/2011 16:28

Oh and Bast - any ideas for a break greatfully received when you have no family to call on for a bit of a respite and can't afford babysitters more than a couple of times a year. Smile I must admit, everyone else at the places near me seems to be enjoying a coffee break whilst their kids play...

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Thruaglassdarkly · 28/06/2011 16:25

and you pretty much have been, so thanks Smile.

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Thruaglassdarkly · 28/06/2011 16:24

We WERE watching them but not every single second, as they were the only kids in there most of the time and it was enclosed and we were sitting right next to the perspex fence. It is a very small softplay area, enclosed in a perspex fence. It can only take up to 30 kids, although it's mayhem if there are even 15 in there. On this day there were our two and their two (later). There's a tiny bit at the back where you can't see them unless you're inside the perspex fence. There is, as I said only room for 3 chairs in this bit, so I leave them free for people who have smaller ones who need that bit closer watching because they fall down alot. Most soft plays have lots of places you can't actually see the kids from unless you're up in the playframe with them. They often have notices saying No adults on the play equipment. I generally watch my kids more than most to be honest, especially when we're out in public but I'm not a total hoverer and don't intend to be. I've seen my kids get pushed and shoved many times at places and as most I've asked the kid in question to play nicely. I don't resent the fact his/her mum hasn't seen him or her hitting whatever. It never occurs to me to think ill of parents like this. Parenting is hard enough, we should be looking out for each other and being supportive, not nasty and acting like our kids are the only ones that matter.
I totally understand these people were upset. I'm questioning their method of dealing with the whole thing is all.
I'm sorry if the chav comment offended people or the psycho one btw. My DH was scooping up the kids to get them away from the situation (as I was trying to do had the parents not been hellbent on shouting in my face). We took them home immediately.
Thanks for all the lovely comments btw. Interesting to see the range - I knew I'd get people not taking my side when I posted, so I don't mind. I don't mind what people's opinions are, so long as they're polite about it,

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Bast · 28/06/2011 13:55

Why would anyone take their children to soft play for a coffee break?!

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allegrageller · 28/06/2011 13:02

oh they sound so sweet Bast. :-D. But to have FOUR and not take any time off at soft play, even- god you must need a coffee break

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PrettyMeerkat · 28/06/2011 12:59

Oh yeah! Didn't see the irony in that!

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TooManyBrownies · 28/06/2011 12:56

pretty I'm pretty sure mental in a no no Wink

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Bast · 28/06/2011 12:48

Simples.

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Bast · 28/06/2011 12:48

I have four. I'm vigilant.

They're friendly to the point of spaniel silliness. Not all children can cope with that. Even the most benign interaction can appear scary to the lone child in their midst, just by sheer weight of numbers.

No other parent should be expected to understand the dynamics of or maintain the equilibrium of my tribe.

For my tribes sake, if I see what's going on, I know what's going on and there should never be (and has never been) cause for anyone to have to approach me, regarding my children's behaviour.

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PrettyMeerkat · 28/06/2011 11:49

Also can't believe the people (guessing they are all helicopter parents) saying that you should have been watching ALL THE TIME! Whatever happened to letting kids go off, explore, make little friends, maybe even have disagreements which they then resolve themselves often. It's called growing up and learning!

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porcamiseria · 28/06/2011 11:35

I know

you cant call people chavs in case you offends chavs
cant call people psycho in case you disturb the mentally ill


as a mad fucked up CRAZY chav, I am REALLY OFFENDED

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PrettyMeerkat · 28/06/2011 11:34

They sound MENTAL! I'd have been really scared!

I don't know why people have to pick up on the chav thing. I assume the OP called them chavs because they are chavs. End of.

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Morloth · 28/06/2011 11:09

You don't have to watch them closely all the time (I certainly don't) but you do need to accept if you are not doing so, you can't actually know for sure what they have gotten up to.

So saying that it is always other kids causing trouble is a bit silly.

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Georgimama · 28/06/2011 11:08

They sound completely mad. Yes it sounds like your 6 year old might have inadvertently upset their child, but their reaction is completely over the top. I get really annoyed at soft play (inside the safety of my head, I smile beautifically and continue to drink my coffee on the outside) when the children can't move in soft play for the micro managing parents directing their every move.

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