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Yesterday I identified as Male...

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Davros · 24/07/2021 15:36

DH and I have a joint credit card. He is the main cardholder so they won't engage with me although I'm sure they'd come after me if the bills didn't get paid. I realise it could be the other way round but it isn't. I phoned them to request they revert to paper statements and said I'd do the preliminary bit and then hand the phone to him.
"Full name and date of birth?", easy, I know this
"Mother's maiden name?" As above
"Am I speaking to Barry X?" The divilment got into me so I said "yes, I am Barry X" in my very female voice.
We completed a straightforward, helpful phone call. I thought, they can't really suggest that I'm not him any more however I sound heh heh. I was tempted to request they change my/his account to F but thought I can just carry on saying I'm him from now on.
Maybe they just have to prove they asked the question

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ItPearl · 24/07/2021 15:37

Ha ha!

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Cailin66 · 24/07/2021 15:42

You can request that you be allowed deal with them, I did it for my husbands credit card as he’s the main cardholder but I do the financial stuff. But this is a brill idea for other things.

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Davros · 24/07/2021 15:47

I thought I'd test it out. It used to annoy me that, if I had a male visitor, I could hand the phone to them and tell them the answers to any questions and it would all be fine and dandy. Turns out it's fine and dandy if I just say I am the male card holder.

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NiceGerbil · 24/07/2021 15:51

Nice one OP!

Isn't this a bit iffy from a security etc pov?!

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Holly60 · 24/07/2021 15:52

So you told a lie and somebody else took what you said at face value. Why have you started a thread over this? It is not newsworthy…

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BelfastMaOf2 · 24/07/2021 15:55

Is it actually a joint credit card? Or is your husband the main cardholder and you're an additional one?
Wonder if the person on the other end of the phone flagged it up with their fraud team

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Davros · 24/07/2021 15:55

Iffy yes, but I know the answers to their security questions

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JonBinary · 24/07/2021 15:56

@Holly60

So you told a lie and somebody else took what you said at face value. Why have you started a thread over this? It is not newsworthy…

Oh I don't know. I think it's quite interesting actually. And a security nightmare. But if you're not interested then you can scroll on by you know. ☺️
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jesuissweary · 24/07/2021 15:58

Well it was Friday, which is the traditional day for random acts of manliness Grin

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Steakandcheeseplease · 24/07/2021 15:58

Ive had to do this whilst sorting out a Gas bill. Pillocks

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MrsHerculePoirot · 24/07/2021 15:59

I’ve done exactly the same with BT. Despite DH explicitly asking that they deal with both of us they repeatedly refused to speak to me so I just said I was him… the person on the other end of the phone clearly didn’t quite know how to react but it was by far the easiest way to resolve the issue in the end.

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Davros · 24/07/2021 16:01

@Holly60

So you told a lie and somebody else took what you said at face value. Why have you started a thread over this? It is not newsworthy…

I just thought it was interesting to find out if the current practice of not questioning someone's identity based on potentially being the opposite sex would be enough to accept my word. Whereas, not long ago, if I'd put a random male on the phone with the "right" voice that would have been more acceptable than speaking to me.
I know it's relatively trivial
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JonBinary · 24/07/2021 16:01

I may try out random acts of manliness myself next Friday. Now I know that's the chosen day.👍

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SometimesIFeedTheSparrows · 24/07/2021 16:05

I wish I'd thought of that when the car wouldn't start and the RAC wouldn't talk to me to let me add homestart because DH was the main account holder. I even offered to pay with his credit card but nope. IIRC they wouldn't let me join in my own name either as I was already a joint account holder. Now I shall just say I'm Brian and so is my wife

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Melroses · 24/07/2021 16:06

It is good to see the spirit of ManFriday lives on Grin

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Davros · 24/07/2021 16:14

@JonBinary

I may try out random acts of manliness myself next Friday. Now I know that's the chosen day.👍

I'm up for that. I'll think of something by next week.
That RAC scenario, and my credit card, should work the other way round. If we were the primary account holders they should refuse to speak to Mr Secondary Account Holder. But I wonder...
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MrsFin · 24/07/2021 16:16

Our joint credit card is my name first, probably because I filled the form out.
DH does all our financial stuff and it annoys the hell out of me that they won't speak to him on a joint account.
I think I'll tell him to say he is me next time he calls, and see what happens.

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BelfastMaOf2 · 24/07/2021 16:26

@MrsFin

Our joint credit card is my name first, probably because I filled the form out.
DH does all our financial stuff and it annoys the hell out of me that they won't speak to him on a joint account.
I think I'll tell him to say he is me next time he calls, and see what happens.

If you're in the UK, its probably because a joint credit card doesn't exist
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PurplePlain · 24/07/2021 16:31

I've had to pretend to be dp and use the Web chat to query a phone bill, even though I opened the account.

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JellySlice · 24/07/2021 17:04

@Holly60

So you told a lie and somebody else took what you said at face value. Why have you started a thread over this? It is not newsworthy…

Of course it's completely un-newsworthy. That's exactly what the trans ideology demands: that we all take these lies at face-value.

At least you're consistent.
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SometimesIFeedTheSparrows · 24/07/2021 17:05

Having thought about this, I am definitely getting DH to pretend to be me and phone Virgin Media. They refused to speak to him once and now every time they put their prices up I have to spend days trying to get through complain about it, because they won't speak to him. Now he can just be me and learn to detest them as much as I do.

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FlyPassed · 24/07/2021 17:16

I wondered about this. I worked in a financial services call centre years ago and wives and PAs regularly used to try to access their husbands/bosses.

I'm pretty sure I would have been disciplined if I had discussed an account with someone who was obviously not the customer. I guess it would be the reverse now, but I can't fathom how that works in terms of fraud prevention and customer complaints.

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Leafstamp · 24/07/2021 18:01

@FlyPassed

I wondered about this. I worked in a financial services call centre years ago and wives and PAs regularly used to try to access their husbands/bosses.

I'm pretty sure I would have been disciplined if I had discussed an account with someone who was obviously not the customer. I guess it would be the reverse now, but I can't fathom how that works in terms of fraud prevention and customer complaints.

It does raise some interesting questions around fraud prevention doesn’t it?

Like this thread it illustrates the pitfalls of people supposedly changing ‘identities’.
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QueenPeary · 24/07/2021 18:15

I regularly fill in online forms as a “Mr” if they won’t give me the option of “Ms” (not important things where my details are relevant like passport etc, but accounts with shops, charities etc). This leads to phone calls with people asking to speak to Mr Peary and getting weirded out when they hear me but then trying to act normal :o

The point isn’t that OP lied, but that people now aren’t allowed to question a lie.

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SheldonesqueTheBstard · 24/07/2021 18:29

I attended a work medical recently.

I was misgendered on the invitation letter and despite pointing it out repeatedly, it was not changed on subsequent communications.

I turned up and was greeted as a Mr. Apart from a stray chin hair I don’t present as male at all.

I did point out their mistake but was told they go by the information they have on file. (No problem with being female on previous medicals)

It was ridiculous.

During the medical I got asked when I’d had my prostrate checked. I asked if that was the prostrate that lived next to my cervix.

I pointed out that not asking about my ‘female’ health was neglectful and insulting.

The fear of misgendering someone I understand. Being corrected and still being too scared to change their stance is worrying.

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