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Well this is interesting

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Gileswithachainsaw · 12/02/2018 19:52

Again self ID is up for grabs

I'm a straight nearly middle aged white woman but I might identify as a disabled black lesbian.

Not offensive at all.Hmm

Well this is interesting
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rb67 · 12/02/2018 19:57

So people can self define as black? This could get interesting.
There was an article about this on the Guardian today. No class analysis at all. Very sad.

Anyway, let's see what happens with this.

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AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 12/02/2018 20:00

Oh it has kicked off big style

twitter.com/theJeremyVine/status/963070284784947200

Since we can 'self id' as black, BAME or women, does this mean we can black up, get a wheelchair, or don a frock?

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Gileswithachainsaw · 12/02/2018 20:03

Well they seem more upset straight white guys are excluded....

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AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 12/02/2018 20:05

Of course they do, but this is the time to tell them to self ID as whatever the fuck they want. Might concentrate the minds somewhat

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Notwellbitch · 12/02/2018 20:07

Those commenting don't seem to be noticing the "self identify as" bit do they?

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BlackBetha · 12/02/2018 20:08

Sadly being under 27 and having paid the membership fee are not up for self-identification, so that's me excluded...

On the positive side, no need for anyone to "black up", by the logic of self-ID surely your skin would be black just by you saying so?

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Gileswithachainsaw · 12/02/2018 20:08

Of course not. To worried about the straight white men.

As if everything isn't a straight white man day Hmm

We all clearly just self define into everything we have to deal with.

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Thisusernamethingistricky · 12/02/2018 20:09

Surely the only one of those you can 'self define' as is trans. All of the others you either are or aren't?

Also, according to this you can self define as both trans and a woman? Confused

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misscockerspaniel · 12/02/2018 20:11

No, they don't seem to have noticed/got the self-id bit. Which is what we all noticed straightaway, having been trained on MN Grin

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waterlego6064 · 12/02/2018 20:11

Yes BlackBetha

And by that rationale, surely I can identify as a 25 year-old? I’m actually 40 but whatever, I don’t feel 40 so...

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Gileswithachainsaw · 12/02/2018 20:12

Who knows. Maybe all you wheelchair users need to non the wheels and define as a walking person

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Gileswithachainsaw · 12/02/2018 20:13

Bin the wheels

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Fluffymcflufftown · 12/02/2018 20:14

How strange that very few are noticing the self ID aspect. It's been pointed out to one poster who couldn't believe it and declared it gibberish. Quite.
Come on guys figure it out!

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Notwellbitch · 12/02/2018 20:19

Or they know full well it's ridiculous but are being deliberately obtuse because they know they can't defend the notion of allowing someone to self identify as BAME or disabled and take a place in this event. And they know they can't rely on their usual tactic of screaming bigot at anyone who questions it.

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niceberg · 12/02/2018 20:23

Having also been trained on MN my immediate thought was that Jeremy WAS questioning the self-id bit. But I was hopelessly optimistic wasn't I? Doh.

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Judashascomeintosomemoney · 12/02/2018 20:23

Those commenting don't seem to be noticing the "self identify as" bit do they?

No, they don’t. Or they don’t get the implications yet. I’m not a JV fan but I’m assuming that is why he tweeted it and not because of the categories.

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TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 12/02/2018 20:25

Sadly being under 27 and having paid the membership fee are not up for self-identification

That's disgusting. It's sheer bigotry Shock

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noraclavicle · 12/02/2018 20:26

It’s amazing how almost nobody is picking up on the ‘self id’ bit - it’s staring them in the face!

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waterlego6064 · 12/02/2018 20:27

Well they’re all just banging on about the fact that straight, white men are excluded, but not stopping to realise that they can be included if they wish- by identifying into any of those categories.

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StringOfGoldStars · 12/02/2018 20:27

Ooh, when I was a child I desperately wanted to be Japanese.

I might go along and self identify as Japanese.

Although I'm over 27, so I might have to self identify as that too and I don't know if that's allowed.

But i agree, none of those white straight able bodied men have worked out they can all self identify as black gay disabled women. It says so in black and white.

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waterlego6064 · 12/02/2018 20:28

I’ve always wanted to be Dutch. (I genuinely have 😂). Now I can make that dream a reality!

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OvaHere · 12/02/2018 20:30

So much outrage on the Jeremy Vine twitter thread but most seem to be missing the point of self defining.

Shame all those annoyed men can't muster some interest in the female erasure from the Labour Party.

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TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 12/02/2018 20:30

Well I identify as trans labour and I'm gobsmacked at the exclusionary nature of literally all labour's internal procedures with respect to people like me

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Notwellbitch · 12/02/2018 20:35

Its making me want to sign up to Twitter just so I can point out where it says they can self identify as any of those categories

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NotTerfNorCis · 12/02/2018 20:36

I am identifying as trans-Corbyn and I demand their respect.

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