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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Great blog from David Davis on changes to GRC

38 replies

TimbuktuTimbuktu · 09/10/2017 20:43

I just saw this shared on Facebook and thought it would be of interest here. I don't think it's been posted already.

www.david-davies.org.uk/news/transgender-rights-versus-womens-privacy

It's very well reasoned and would be great for directing other MPs towards.

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Rumandraisin1 · 09/10/2017 21:54

Excellent blog. I can't believe these words are coming out of my mouth (or out of my fingers on the keyboard) but I would actually consider voting Tory for the first time in my life if this man was my MP. At the moment, I'm thinking that, if a general election was called, I would have to spoil my ballot because there is just no party which is representing women's interests.

Ereshkigal · 09/10/2017 22:05

Me too, Rum.

OlennasWimple · 09/10/2017 22:09

Round of applause for David TC Davies (as you have to call him, to distinguish him from the Brexit bloke)

PeasAndHarmony · 09/10/2017 22:11

Bloody hell I thought you were telling me David 'Brexit' Davies had written an excellent article on this..... I was rather shocked!

MillicentFawcett · 09/10/2017 22:18

Good grief. I wonder if he realises the utter shitstorm that's about to crash down on his head?

Good for him. This isn't a party issue though. I think Brexit man is Davis rather than Davies

CocoaIsGone · 09/10/2017 22:34

Wow, that is well-reasoned and sane. I think it is good that he asserts men and women both need same sex privacy; it is not just a women’s issue. Good comparison with body building and anorexia too.

busyboysmum · 09/10/2017 22:37

I feel exactly the same way. If the Tories get behind this kind of thinking I won't just vote for them I will campaign for them having never ever voted for them before in my life.

MyNameIsInigoMontoya · 09/10/2017 22:49

Wow. I am VERY impressed that he has managed to cover so many of the issues, so clearly, logically and concisely! (I would have ended up wittering on for about 10 pages trying to cram everything in from my head...).
That would be really hard for anyone to argue against, surely.

hangry · 09/10/2017 22:51

got confused with Philip Davies there and had a massive moment of, hang on, are we the bad guys? then realised it wasn't thunder twat.

HeatedCatFurniture · 10/10/2017 03:29

Ugh, he's a climate change denier and voted against equal marriage. I fucking hate that this ONE ISSUE puts us on the same side as scum like him.

MadreTranquillitatis · 10/10/2017 03:42

I fucking hate that this ONE ISSUE puts us on the same side as scum like him
Yes to this.

DamnDeDoubtanceIsSpartacus · 10/10/2017 06:46

Well done to all the feminists who have done the legwork to point out how this issue impacts on women and girls. It's a good blog and as he is a bloke people may listen.

SpaghettiAndMeatballs · 10/10/2017 06:57

I fucking hate that this ONE ISSUE puts us on the same side as scum like him

It's going to happen though isn't it - sometimes - I know very little about this guy, but it's completely feasible that we might hold the same opinions on the national curriculum, or pensions or the national health service.

I worry about this idea that if someone holds an opinion you disagree with, that all their opinions are bad. Sure, it's an indicator that you should examine what their actual position is before declaring you agree with them, but it's not necessarily excommunication time.

IndominusRex · 10/10/2017 06:59

I've just sent this to my MP.

daisygirlmac · 10/10/2017 07:13

That's brilliant. Really concise and sensible. I've also sent it to my MP and asked for his thoughts on the issue.

CocoaIsGone · 10/10/2017 07:25

I think the problem with it coming from the Tories is that the TRAs are trading quite heavily on people’s desire to be liberal, open and diverse, but without understanding that one of the liberal tenets is freedom but that you should not do harm to others. The question of harm has been less well articulated for fear of being branded transphobic. The problem with it coming from Davis, is that his views may just be dismissed as conservative and retrograde, without engaging with the weight of his argument.

And to an extent, there is a conservative element to the idea that biological sex matters, if the person arguing it also believes that there are inherent hierarchies embedded in the sex roles of male/female. However, the sex roles are what we mean by gender, and the feminist view I think is that gender is a social construct, not that different sexes don’t exist and should not be protected.

So the fundamental premise, that different sexes exist and should have certain rights protected (to same sex space), aligns in conservative and feminist thought. It is going beyond that basic premise that viewpoints differ, because feminists would see sex as the basis of oppression, whereas conservatives would see it as a natural order. I think.

nauticant · 10/10/2017 08:19

It is excellent. It keeps things simple, has a broad scope, and yet is nice and clear. However, following comments by others up-thread, do read up on David TC Davies before you decide how to use this:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Davies_(Welsh_politician)#Political_views

ErrolTheDragon · 10/10/2017 09:02

That would be really hard for anyone to argue against, surely.

I found a piece from his local paper touching on the issue

http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/15442950.YOUR MPPWRITES DaviddDavies MPPforMonmouth/#comments-anchor

'He's a tory' is a sufficient argument for some.

WitchBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 10/10/2017 11:03

Blimey, a well put together piece from an unexpected place. Very well put though.

busyboysmum · 10/10/2017 11:25

I think a few of us could do with supporting what he has said in his local paper comments as the trans people seem to have turned up in force to trash him.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 10/10/2017 11:37

I fucking hate that this ONE ISSUE puts us on the same side as scum like him

This is a huge issue. The majority of the people speaking out about this are right-wing / very Christian not groups I would usually align with! The problem with this is it does very much frame the debate as nice liberal lefties against right wing fundamentalists, which effectively shuts down anyone who might want to speak out.

busyboysmum · 10/10/2017 11:56

Well we need some nice liberal lefties on side as well then.

Surely some of them can think outside of the box and see the danger this poses to women.

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Thelilywhite · 10/10/2017 12:03

Ive posted this on the resource thread as some have suggested up-thread it could be used as a basis for a letter to mps

Thelilywhite · 10/10/2017 12:04

appreciate the comments about his other dubious views though but still...

OlennasWimple · 10/10/2017 12:20

A stopped clock is right twice a day, and all that....

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