Why is it suddenly true that women have 2 types of orgasms now men have proved it?

[MojitoMadness]

Warning; Dail Fail link

According to the article it's been proven that women do in fact have 2 types of orgasm, clitoral and vaginal. Well no shit sherlock, ask most women they'll tell you that's true! Why is it only true now that it has been proven by men? Again women's views being dismissed and men telling them how their bodies work and how they don't. Pisses me right off.

[NiceTabard]

I haven't clicked on the link, soz.

Didn't Freud say women had 2 types of orgasm - vaginal and clitoral - and labelled the clitoral one "immature"? Cos obviously for a proper grown-up woman's orgasm you need to be properly fucked with a penis

[KerryKatonasKhakis]

I only have one type

[LyndaCartersBigPants]

I've had one in my feet before, can we add that?!

[LyndaCartersBigPants]

It is crap though, you're right.

Thing is, it's not just that men don't believe women when they tell them how their body works, but other women sometimes deny that certain things are possible too, because they haven't seen actual written evidence or experienced it themselves.

Read a thread about squirting to see women's experiences negated.

[LurcioLovesFrankie]

The thing I find interesting is that no male anatomist bothered to have a proper look at the clitoris - a decent study wasn't done until 2005 by a female urologist (apologies, a wikipedia link - NB: NOT SMALL CHILD OR WORK SAFE!). I can't remember where I first saw this work reported, and I don't have access to the medical literature. The relevant passage is about half way down, can be found if you search on O'Connell. Basically I always end up thinking of the clitoris as being like an upside-down folded napkin - the end of it protrudes, but most of it forms the front and side walls of your vagina - hence (I think) the alleged "G spot" - it's simply what happens when you (or a partner - a very rare event in my experience) manage to compress the interior parts of the clitoris against the pubic bone.

But the other thing is that surely on a personal level it should be a case of whatever works for you! There's no right or wrong way of doing it (well, unless like Freud you have a vested interest in defending a very lazy form of PIV as the physiological norm).

[gertiegusset]

Freud was an organism.

[Abbierhodes]

Erm...one of the main researchers is a woman. Where does it say that 'men' have now proved it?

[KissesBreakingWave]

i think OP is of the view that if it was Proper Science, it must have been men doing it....

[Nocomet]

And some of the best, and certainly most reliable, orgasms of all come from getting his finger to tickle the right spot inside while you deal with the clitoris.

Though why it needs a study, I'm not sure.

[LurcioLovesFrankie]

That daily fail article has the G spot in a really weird place! Experience of what does it for me (whether I'd actually call it the "G spot" is another matter), discussion with friends and any summary of the research literature I've ever read puts it on the anterior wall of the vagina.

[ShotgunNotDoingThePans]

'Cos obviously for a proper grown-up woman's orgasm you need to be properly fucked with a penis '
Like this ^ .

Just wish I'd heard that in my late teens/twenties.

[NiceTabard]

Also

I'm sure there was a study of anatomy and nerves n stuff which said that while the clitoris was a bit just there >.... The nerves extended all over the shop.

Also, I never noticed an "insidey bit" AKA g spot, until after I had children. Although neither were vaginal births, my body has changed, with pregnancy and hormones and stuff I guess. Now there is a sort of difference in the skin (DH spotted it and I confirmed like oh blimey that;s new and odd and fun) that, really, wasn't there before.

Is it possible that women's sexuality and sexual responses are fairly complex and changing through time and experience and hormones and stuff?

Hmmm. Well that seems unlikely. I think Freud was right. Penis sex = good. anything else = rubbish. Thanks Freud!

[GarthsUncle]

Loving the deployment of creepy wee brackets to represent the clit!

[MummyBeerest]

Without reading the article, I thought you were going to say they discovered 2 types of orgasms; real and fake.

Upcoming research-which is which?

[Orangeanddemons]

I never had "inside" orgasms until I had children either. Something definitely changed after the birth of first dc.

[Beachcomber]

I'm another one who had things shift about after having children. Having discussed it with friends, it seems very common. I once mentioned it to a male doctor and he suggested that the change was "in my head" and that I had become "less inhibited" through the process of pregnancy and childbirth

Way to dismiss a woman's actual real physical lived experience doc...

[Orangeanddemons]

Changes in your head? yeah right...only a man could say that.

After a gruelling 27 hour back back labour and assisted forceps and ventouse delivery I would say I felt less kindly disposed towards Dtd. But obviously this ordeal made me much less inhibited.

What a load of tosh!

[TheRaniOfYawn]

I had that too. I liked to think that as I now had a very small window of opportunity for actually having sex, Mother Nature was compensating by making very quick and hasty sex a lot more fun.

[CailinDana]

IMO pregnancy and childbirth makes you much more aware, physically, of your sexual organs. Plus for most women it's the first time there is a "legitimate" (non-shameful) focus on that part of their body so it stands to reason that after having a baby many women feel more connected to their body and get more pleasure from it.

[FrequentFlyerRandomDent]

Ah, men.

I changed obstetrician when my allocated one, the head of department no less, explained to me very seriously that "there was no medical evidence that giving birth leaning forward was any better for the woman than laying on her back", so I would have to give birth the way he preferred.

That was just after I had explained to him that I gave birth to DD1 on my back, and later to DD2 on leaning forward, and had found DD2's delivery much, much, much more comfortable, and wanted the same for DC3.

I did get my preferred birth at the end.

[almondcake]

Well I am going to disagree with it. The article does not make a distinction between the external clitoris and external stimulation but uses them interchangeably and claims the root of the clitoris can only be stimulated by vaginal penetration.

That may well be true for the tiny number of women in the study, but it is not true for me. I can stimulate the external part of my clitoris and the internal root of my clitoris and have two totally different kinds of orgasm (or blending of the two) solely from external stimulation, depending on which part of my vulva I touch. I do, not need vaginal stimulation to have an orgasm from my clitoral root, although I can achieve it through penetration since going through childbirth. As the clitoral root is underneath the skin/fat etc of the vulva, you (or at least I) can stimulate it externally or internally in my experience.

I think the accurate terms should then be clitoral head orgasm and clitoral root orgasm, regardless of whether or not an individual woman gets either or both from vaginal or external stimulation. But no doubt my experience of orgasm will be considered untrue because a. there is no scientific study and b. it doesn't validate the whole Freud thing that an orgasm from penetration of the vagina is special, magical and you're missing out without it.

[KerryKatonasKhakis]

Very envious of you all with 2 different types. I never get anywhere near an orgasm from penetration (be that 'properly', with a penis or from anything else). I have done a lot of prodding, poking myself and had multiple assistants (and am post childbirth) etc. but it's all about the >. for me.

On a similar note, I have had a good few disappointing encounters with men who get incredibly insulted, even angry that their 'techniques' did not work with me. Whether it's a porn thing, an entitlement thing or I've just been unlucky to pick so many selfish men, I don't know but there has been a very strong theme that their inability to satisfy me is my fault...their techniques are the right way and if I don't like then there's no compromise, there must be something wrong with me.

I'm too old to put up with that shit now but I wonder how many girls are going to have disappointing sex lives with partners who get their education from porn/lads mags.

[KerryKatonasKhakis]

...or continue to see sex as an activity for men to enjoy and women to endure. A service women provide...which ties in with the punter attitudes I am so keen for the government not to legitimise.

[atthestrokeoftwelve]

Never noticed two types- ah well. Quite happy with the one type I do have though.

[Darkesteyes]

I mainly have clitoral orgasms The only way ive had vaginal ones is to leave a vibrator in there for a while. A vaginal orgasm doesnt happen for me with a penis Theres just not enough stimulation. And its not that ive become desensitized either. I didnt use a vibe while seeing my ex OM during the four and a half years the affair was going on.
And i only use one now once every couple of months if that.