Is it even worth discussing what a colossal bellend Farrage is?

[mcmoonfucker]

giant arse

[TheDoctrineOf2014]

Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is....

But it's still dwarfed by the monstrous hugeness of his bellendity.

[hazchem]

That is one of the funniest things I've read, it's only slightly undermined but the truthfulness of it

[lackingideas]

What I found most depressing its that this wasn't a blunder that he'd backtrack on or apologise for. It appears those were acceptable things to say, and will probably earn him votes or political donations.

[AnyFucker]

let me try to put it into words....

nah

can't be arsed

[NigellasDealer]

no.
like 'bellendity' though

[ThingsThatGoBumpInTheNight]

I see him I'm reminded of that blue eagle in the muppets

And the word bawbag

[BlueSkySunnyDay]

No - batshit crazy

[BelleCurve]

Trouble is, I reckon the majority of people actually agree with him on this one

[merrymouse]

It's really not surprising that some men in the city might find it difficult to work out how to employ a woman, poor loves.

I mean, they've found the whole "employing honest people who won't completely @% things up and who can understand the difference between banking and working in a betting shop" thing quite challenging too.

[MomsStiffler]

I think it'd be naive to think it couldn't be detrimental in some cases. But that's also the case for people that take any time off - due to injury/illness for example.

But if you suggested to a rugby playing city boy that he'd be less employable because he plays, or that people shouldn't go on skiing trips there would be uproar!

[MomsStiffler]

And I don't like the fact that his attitude is "I can't change that" - that's just lazy!!

[ThinkAboutItTomorrow]

I think it's refreshing.

On the back of the thread the other day about the partner who doesn't believe in the patriarchy and thinks women have equality, someone stands up and spells out the mindset of the patriarchy and the truth of the situation if judged through a fairly short term business lens.

This is what equality means to a lot of men in senior roles.

I think it is helpful to get it out there and remind everyone what women face.

He doesn't realise that in breaking ranks and saying this he is undoing years of lip service to equality that has hidden the real challenges.

But then he is, as has been mentioned, a colossal bellend.

[ThinkAboutItTomorrow]

And I say this having experienced almost the exact scenario he describes. I don't work in the city but I work in a role where your ability to bring income into the firm is reliant on client relationships. When you go on mat leave those clients are shared amongst the team and you 'lose' the contacts. You come back from Mat leave to a standing start, with no one to get business from and no work. Taking 8 months mat leave set my career back 2 years. By the time I have had my second child it will be more like 5 years.

It is dispiriting

[hopskipandthump]

ThinkAboutIt - perhaps there should be a system where clients are 'returned' to you after mat leave? Would that be workable?

[ThinkAboutItTomorrow]

To some extent there is, but it's a relationship thing and a knowledge thing. Mid project it is hard to transition. And honestly, the clients that get 'returned' tend to be the tricky ones you don't get much work out of. The fun / big / high value clients - once someone else has that relationship it's hard to grapple it off them. We get bonuses and evaluated on how much we bring in.

[flatmum]

What a cock. I too think it's probably a good thing that he has highlighted the fact that most I the City is still run by dickheads like him who perpetuate female inequality (to protect their own positions). I would have thought he's lost himself a good through female hug achiever votes as well, which can only be a good thing.

[flatmum]

High

[Lottapianos]

He is such a Muppet, as is anyone who talks about men and women behaving in different ways for 'biological reasons'. Where does he think the workforce of the future are going to come from if women 'give up on family life'? And absolutely no one is asking the same of men. Agree with other posters that its a good thing that his version of 'equality' has come to light.

[Lottapianos]

He is such a Muppet, as is anyone who talks about men and women behaving in different ways for 'biological reasons'. Where does he think the workforce of the future are going to come from if women 'give up on family life'? And absolutely no one is asking the same of men. Agree with other posters that its a good thing that his version of 'equality' has come to light.

[Lottapianos]

He is such a Muppet, as is anyone who talks about men and women behaving in different ways for 'biological reasons'. Where does he think the workforce of the future are going to come from if women 'give up on family life'? And absolutely no one is asking the same of men. Agree with other posters that its a good thing that his version of 'equality' has come to light.

[Lottapianos]

Oops, sorry! Stupid phone

[ThinkAboutItTomorrow]

Remind me, why are we still playing by the rules made up by Farage et al?

Because they have the power. The ability to bestow high earning jobs (and many / most other jobs at least on some level) is in the power of men like this. So we play by their rules.

Sorry to sound defeatist but it highlights what a slow process change is going to be. We have to persuade them to change the rules. We can't just opt to play by a different set.

It would be like saying to the suffragettes - 'ignore their stupid rules, go out and vote anyway'. Or am I missing something?

I get that we can shift mindsets with regards to female guilt though, and eventually we can shift mindsets of those doing the hiring but it's going to be slow. Another generation at least.

[WilsonFrickett]

Weelllll normally I would lose no opportunity to discuss his giant bellendity. But in this case he is speaking the truth - or rather, reflecting the reality of the city. No matter how many diversity teams there are, no matter what their placing on the Sunday Times 'best for families' list, the city is a sexist cesspit and the minute you take mat leave, you are done (in the relationship-type jobs he's describing, you are allowed to come back and do some of the female ghetto jobs in admin, comms and HR. Which is nice for the little ladies.)

So he has done feminism a favour by coming out with it.

OF COURSE that's not why he did it But sometimes the fact that this shower of bawbags have a really shit PR machine can be a positive thing, iyswim.