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Ireland: Woman denied termination dies in hospital

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WidowWadman Wed 14-Nov-12 00:42:25

FFS - how is that defensible in any way shape or form? My thoughts go out to her family.

WidowWadman Wed 14-Nov-12 00:42:46

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5madthings Wed 14-Nov-12 00:48:17

Oh dear god that poor woman and her family.

Fucking barbaric to leave her to suffer like that, what a waste of life sad

caramelwaffle Wed 14-Nov-12 00:53:12

That is heartbreaking.

And yes. What a waste of life.

Condolences to the family.

Darkesteyes Wed 14-Nov-12 00:53:23

That is manslaughter IMO.

bellabelly Wed 14-Nov-12 01:00:04

Absolutely horrific. That poor woman. Bad enough if this had happened when it was thought that the baby might survive but when they KNEW there was no chance of that, why prolong her suffering? My heart goes out to her husband.

5madthings Wed 14-Nov-12 01:04:24

I agree dark at the very least it us death through medical negligence. The drs treating her (or failing to treat her) shoukd be struck off.

Honestly i am lost for words, it is beyond rational thought that they left her to suffer and die like that. The fetus was not viable, her life was at risk. The law in Ireland does allow for abortion in cases like this.

I hope her family get justice.

skyebluesapphire Wed 14-Nov-12 01:14:31

That is disgraceful :-((

chipmonkey Wed 14-Nov-12 01:22:50

5madthings, in the case of the foetus not being viable, that actually doesn't entitle an Irish woman to a termination. You either carry the baby to term or go to Liverpool.
In the case of the mother's life being at risk, constitutionally there is a case for terminating but despite this, there are no laws in place to allow for it and women have had to travel abroad even when their lives were at risk.
And in this case, they didn't even seem to realise that this poor woman's life was at risk! So now mother and baby are both dead. No sense in this at all.sad

5madthings Wed 14-Nov-12 01:26:10

I didnt realise that chip thankyou for the clarification.

Its a disgrace that this woman was essentially left to die. I am appalled, utter utter waste of life sad

chipmonkey Wed 14-Nov-12 01:27:40

And as for "This is a Catholic Country" Speak for yourself, mate!angry

ravenAK Wed 14-Nov-12 01:30:06

That poor woman, & her poor family. Appalling. angry.

Yourefired Wed 14-Nov-12 01:31:37

Agree with darkesteyes as to the criminality of this. Not sure what statute contravened in irish law, but I hope family persue through the courts.

FriggFRIGG Wed 14-Nov-12 01:41:48


So they knew the foetus wouldn't survive,but they let the mother die,in agony,in order to keep the foetal heart beating a few more days?

I am lost for words.

What a barbaric country,that could allow this to be law.

Darkesteyes Wed 14-Nov-12 01:53:37

Its barbaric. My thoughts and sympathies go out to her family.
I seem to remember a case back in the late 80s where a 14 yr old Irish girl who was a victim of rape had to come to London or Liverpool (cant remember where) and ive got a hazy memory of that singer Dana speaking out and trying to stop the young girl from leaving the country to have a termination.
Its a distant memory from watching the news when i was a teen myself (about the same age as the girl) Im pro choice by the way. If ive got this Dana thing wrong MN feel free to delete it. Its a memory from a long time ago.

Darkest you're right, it was the X case (she miscarried so didn't have to travel in the end)

X case

Very famous case in Ireland.

I can't find a link where Dana specifically spoke out about that case but she's highly pro life and I guess it would be logical.

mathanxiety Wed 14-Nov-12 02:50:20

Clearly an incompetent medical team. If the baby had no hope then a D&C should have been done. And abortion is legal in Ireland in case of risk to the mother. However, the circumstances in which risk to the mother can be assessed and what may follow are unclear.

If you are in labour and dilated, with sac broken and fluid leaking, with no progress in 24 hours you are taken for a cs iirc, not left with amniotic fluid draining away with the concomitant risk of infection. She should have had ABs much earlier and a D&C heartbeat or no heartbeat. There was a clear risk to the mother.

I hope the bereaved husband sues the hosp and individual doctors for every penny they are worth. This was a terrible case.

I hope it will be an impetus for clarity and compassionate regard for the life of the mother on the part of legislators, because situations like this happen.

mathanxiety Wed 14-Nov-12 02:53:07

Differing viewpoints from Irish medical people here.

LRDtheFeministDragon Wed 14-Nov-12 06:44:32

This is why the right to choose is so important.

Doctors can and will disagree but this woman asked for a termination knowing something wasn't right with her body.

It would be tragic if she'd had the right to choose and insisted she didn't want a medical termination (as some people do), but it doesn't bear thinking about that she was asking for this and was refused. Poor woman, she must have been terrified.

tribpot Wed 14-Nov-12 06:55:02

The argument in mathanxiety's link seems to be that termination is only permitted if the mother's life is in danger. I guess it may not have been apparent that it was in danger at the time (merely that she was being left to suffer a distressing miscarriage in horrific and prolonged pain - so that's okay then hmm).

This is why religion should be an individual, and not a state, matter. A law like this has no place in modern Europe.

MmeLindor Wed 14-Nov-12 08:46:56

Just read this on twitter and cried for the poor woman.

How could they do this to her?

In the case of a 'missed miscarriage' a termination of the pregnancy must be not only allowed but also the recommended treatment.

Hope that it brings a rethink of the laws in Ireland.

BarbecuedBillygoats Wed 14-Nov-12 08:58:56

I dont like how we're a suing society
But I hope he sues their arses until they have nothing

msrisotto Wed 14-Nov-12 09:00:22

What Tribpot said:
This is why religion should be an individual, and not a state, matter. A law like this has no place in modern Europe.

samandi Wed 14-Nov-12 09:15:38

Tht's terrible. Ireland is so backwards in many respects.

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