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So because I'm anti-porn and don't think seven year olds should be encouraged to join glamour modelling...

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DontCallMePeanut Sat 06-Aug-11 00:46:00

A friend has labelled me a conservative feminist?

This was following a conversation about this article aboout which I said I thought any mother encouraging her child to join (when she's older) the glamour modelling industry was irresponsible.

Apparently, the fact I'm anti-porn and against encouraging glamour modelling means I'm an "Ultra conservative feminist"... Oh, and anti-sex. (That's the opposite of sex positive feminism, isn't it?)

Any thoughts on this? I'm a bit hmm and assuming the young man who made the comments isn't as clued up on feminism as he claims

mskatemc Sat 06-Aug-11 00:58:52

Sounds like someone can't handle anything he can't label, file away in a box and therefore dismiss... There are so many grey areas and sticking points around these subjects and I hate the sex-positive/anti-sex options when most people have ambivalent feelings and responses. You can be positive about sex and still not want women to be trafficked, kids to be dolled up etc...

jennyvstheworld Sat 06-Aug-11 01:00:40

Your friend hasn't really thought about it very hard. I would happily take them around an anorexia ward and then we can talk about the 'harmless' glamour model industry.

Reading the article actually makes me feel vaguely sick.

StewieGriffinsMom Sat 06-Aug-11 12:16:55

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StewieGriffinsMom Sat 06-Aug-11 12:17:40

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SinicalSal Sat 06-Aug-11 12:21:59

Well, so what, in a sense. 'Conservative' is another devalued word, in some circles, much like feminism is. (Not that I'm a conservative, dear me no!) There's probably loads of sensible, logical ideas under the conservative umbrella -no expert, meself - but there's nothing wrong with taking the best from many perspectives.

DontCallMePeanut Sat 06-Aug-11 12:30:54

My thoughts exactly, from all three of you.

The whole problem with "sex-positive feminism" (and apologies to anyone who identifies as such) is that it gives the impression those feminists who don't identify as such are anti-sex.

I also got asked why I was studying media, if I felt the industry was so damaging to women. hmm

Oooh, and he started the abortion debate shortly after I started this thread... Apparenty, because I believe women have the right to choose an abortion if they feel that's what they want/need, and they don't need to be told "oh, but you're ending a human life, and the preferred thing is adoption" once they've made that decision... I'm "anti-life"... Suprisingly, he identifies as a pro-choicer. Not suprisingly, he uses a lot of pro-life arguments.

I would delete him, but the claptrap he spouts needs challening... grin

DontCallMePeanut Sat 06-Aug-11 12:33:56

He was definitely using it in an attempt to devalue, SinicalSal. He's a "socialist" (he claims, but regularly spouts more right wing views) so calling someone conservative is an insult in his books. Was wondering if anyone could shed more light on "Conservative Feminism"?

SardineQueen Sat 06-Aug-11 15:12:43

He sounds a bit thick TBH, and highly irritating.

TanyaBranning Sat 06-Aug-11 15:15:36

I'm not up on all the feminist jargon, but I have to say I think 'sex-positive feminism' is possibly one of the most ridiculous, jargon-tastic labels I have ever heard. What has feminism got to do with liking or not liking sex? hmm

And disagreeing with porn industry = 'ultra conservative'? Oh please.

This guy is a dimwit.

alexpolismum Sat 06-Aug-11 15:19:40

on a similar note

Prolesworth Sat 06-Aug-11 15:27:45

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DontCallMePeanut Sat 06-Aug-11 15:49:13

SQ, he prides himself on the belief that he is highly intelligent... Much to the amusement of those who see through him.

I'm seriously reconsidering my friendship with him. It's not too long ago he told me that feminists should be focusing on the important issues of pay and equal opportunities, not the "non-issues of Porn"...

TB, I'm not too clued up on sex-positive feminism, but I'm of the impression it argues that pornography and the likes can be enjoyed in a healthy manner. Again, if someone can explain sex-positive feminism, please do. The only feminist reference I found to it so far seemed pretty critical.

jennyvstheworld Sat 06-Aug-11 15:58:04

What is mansplaining please?

DontCallMePeanut Sat 06-Aug-11 16:04:59

there's a good few explainations here...

DontCallMePeanut Sat 06-Aug-11 16:06:23

Along with some more misognistic descriptions at the end hmm

giyadas Sat 06-Aug-11 16:07:37

epic thread on mansplaining

jennyvstheworld Sat 06-Aug-11 16:16:27

Off-thread (I know I get told off for this....)

Is it just me or does anyone else think 'Mansplaining' seems to be sexist terminology used to explain sexist attitudes? I fail to see how fighting sexism with sexism is an intelligent way to fight a divisive society.

DontCallMePeanut Sat 06-Aug-11 16:25:04

I agree with you, do think maybe another word to describe it would be better. It's not just men who "mansplain"

Prolesworth Sat 06-Aug-11 16:28:26

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jennyvstheworld Sat 06-Aug-11 16:30:21

'Superscillious' is, I suspect, exactly the same and already exists. 'Up their own arse' a bit more down to earth....

Prolesworth Sat 06-Aug-11 16:30:42

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Prolesworth Sat 06-Aug-11 16:32:30

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DontCallMePeanut Sat 06-Aug-11 16:33:30

Aha, but if there's one thing a man who is guity of "mansplaining" will do, when faced with being accused of such, is to turn the term round as misandry, or us women being "man hating feminists".

Or at least, the men I'd accuse of such would.

Prolesworth Sat 06-Aug-11 16:36:49

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