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In a relationship with someone who is avoidant...

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peculiarways · 14/10/2019 13:09

After a long think and a lot of reading of research articles after a period of distant from my partner, I have identified that he is love-avoidant in many ways.

My partner is an extremely wonderful person, and I have imagined my life with him. He can be very loving at times, very emotionally connected and considerate and then out of the blue he can push me away over seemingly small things and act cold towards me.

He is extremely independent, and in some respects a bit of a "loner". I am his only serious relationship (he is in his 30s). He is extremely shy and in his own words socially awkward. Having a relationship with me he said came "out of the blue" and he had never had conversations he had with me with anyone else. He has 2 close friends to whom he is extremely loyal and will always help them when they need (e.g. driving one of them to the airport in the middle of the night with 1 hours notice).

He is extremely uncomfortable about talking about feelings, so much so that he can't actually put them into words sometimes. Sometimes he will just sit and silently cry out of the blue, with no way to communicate to me how he feels.

He also flips from being extremely affectionate with me, to barely being able to touch me. For example, he will want to hold hands in public and cuddle in bed for days and then one night when we get into bed he will sleep in the "brace" position and barely come anywhere near me. He will go distant for days on end, wrapped up in his own head.

He is excessive in his own success and pursues an activity which he is quite highly regarded in. This activity always has come first, which is fine by me. He does this activity every day without fail, for at least one hour, sometimes more. So, on top of a 9-6 job he is out of the house most of the time, on the go. He has recently been promoted meaning more hours, and which has put a strain on his time. I have felt this, and he seems to think I will start demanding more of his time, and he has freaked out that his routine has been changed. He always said he was a creature of habit, and seems to think I am trying to control his independence.

He absolutely despises any kind of conflict, as in, he literally can't deal with it. Small disagreements or expressions of needs from me will lead to him not knowing what to do/what to say and going distant. This will most likely always be followed up by catastrophising and proclamations that the relationship isn't working and that he is very confused. He then says days later that he overreacted and that he didn't mean it.

Whenever he pushes me away when he goes distant, he always ends up more upset and saying that he misses me and doesn't know how to help the situation.
When faced with conflict or an argument, becoming distant, aloof or cold; even when the argument is so microscopic (e.g. where shall we eat tonight?) and then following up saying our "perfect" relationship has changed and things shouldn't be like this. He says he goes silent because he is confused and expects me to react negatively when he opens up to me. He ALWAYS thinks my feelings towards him are negative, even in these small arguments.

Despite all these points, I very much love him and I know he loves me. I know to most people this seems like an unfulfilling relationship, but I want to be with him.

I suppose what is forefront in my mind is that I can understand why he is like this in relationships. My partner was (and still is) emotionally abused by his mother. His mother picked on him out of all his siblings to be cruel to. This was due in part to him "looking like his father" who had multiple affairs. His mother would lock him outside on nights that he did something wrong, so he would have to sleep in the garden. He also was left in the house with his siblings for weeks on end whilst the mother went missing. Now, the relationship is very much my partner trying to impress his mother and get her love. It's horrible to watch and I have had to keep my mouth shut a lot the time. She massively takes advantage of him, taking his money and using his credit cards/taking out loans in his name and making him to do her favours through guilt tripping "are you not going to take your sister to X place" (even though it's a 4 hour drive).

So, I have the understanding of why he acts like he does in relationships, especially in conflict (that, in my eyes, doesn't warrant any further thought)

... now what? I really want to share this with him, but I don't know if it will push him away further. I am scared of losing him/him leaving me, because he is the first person I ever "wanted" to be with, not "needed".

I myself had therapy for similar issues, but I was anxiously-attached. I am extremely happy that I did, and I do think that my behavior with DP is so much more healthy then I would have been in the past - e.g. in the past when someone went distant, I would chase them - I don't do this anymore.

I guess I just need some direction on what to do. DP is currently in a distant phase with me and we are meeting at some point today to discuss why the argument we had caused him to go distant.

I really want to save our relationship; I dont think he is a bad person, I think he is bad at relationships, and i do think it would be a massive waste to call time.

Thank you

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Pinkbonbon · 14/10/2019 13:23

It's an odd one right enough. I'm always ready to say 'are you sure he isn't just abusive?' when people are dealing with 'emotionally detached' partners. But in this case, it sounds more like his going through emotional abuse from a narcissistic mother (FYI: this has nothing yo do with him looking like his father. His mother is just abusive. There is no excuse for it
And no 'reason' why other than he is the 'scapegoat' child).

Going forwards, he needs to seek therapy from people who specialise with narcissistic abuse and all the fallout from that. He also needs to cut ties with his mother. I'm sorry but, this isn't about you and tbh, if you stay with him it may mean he never takes the plunge with these two things as he will just use you as an emotional crutch.

I would recommend walking away. He isn't in a place right now where he can have a healthy relationship.

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cometothinkofit · 14/10/2019 13:24

Poor bloke, it seems he was abused as a child, and that abuse is still ongoing. No wonder he finds relationships difficult sometimes. An ex of mine had a similar relationship with his parents - he couldn't do right for doing wrong either. Maybe have a look on some of the Stately Homes threads on here about toxic parents and look up FOG (fear, obligation, guilt) and see if that rings any bells.

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AmICrazyorWhat2 · 14/10/2019 13:31

He needs some counselling to deal with what's happened to him, OP, and help him to cut ties with his abusive mother. Otherwise she'll continue taking advantage of him for the rest of her life.

I don't like the sound of his "aloof phases" towards you at all. That's not OK, but if he's had no experience of healthy relationships, he may simply not know how to treat other people with affection and respect, even when things aren't perfect.

I'd strongly recommend saying to him that you love him very much but there are aspects of your relationship that need to improve (e.g., the aloofness and inability to handle conflict) and you need him to work on those so you can both be happy long-term. You'll support him all the way, but it has to change.

If he really values your relationship, he'll make the effort. I had to change some of my behaviour to improve my relationship with my DH - and I did, because I loved him.

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AmICrazyorWhat2 · 14/10/2019 13:33

Also, don't be scared of losing him. If you both really love each other, that won't happen. Flowers

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litterbird · 14/10/2019 13:35

Poor man he is definitely avoidant but for good reason. He is falling back on his poor defence mechanisms that clearly arent working for a healthy relationship. He needs probably years of ongoing therapy for him to try and reconcile his past. Its so very sad. You must protect yourself too as your mental health will suffer with the push/pull dynamic he is displaying and a lot of it will be unconscious. He is unable to have a healthy relationship right now so it may be best to think clearly about what is best for him and for you.

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HasThisSoddingNameGoneToo · 14/10/2019 13:38

Who initiated the meeting up today?

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peculiarways · 14/10/2019 13:44

@HasThisSoddingNameGoneToo

He did, he text me yesterday. He said he will drive to see me straight after work, and this morning he sent me a text saying he'll let me know when he's leaving work at 7pm, but he will send updates so I know he's on the way.

This is what makes me sad though, because I know tonight is the night he does his hobby and in his mind I know it's a big gesture to put this first Sad

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peculiarways · 14/10/2019 13:49

@Pinkbonbon

Of course it has nothing to do with him looking like his dad, that's just how my partner "justifies" it.

I don't think I will ever leave him. We have shared too much and I care too much about him to leave him on his own. I can endure all the aloofness because it's still him, and I love him.

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peculiarways · 14/10/2019 14:28

@AmICrazyorWhat2

My friend said the same to me, but it has been a week since I saw him and it's torture just for one week.

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rvby · 14/10/2019 17:02

My dp is avoidant as well as has similarities to yours.

The trick is though he is open to feedback and has tried and eventually succeeded to become aware of his poorer habits and change them without me doing much about it.

I just tell him when hes upset me and he works out his next steps.

Your guy doesn't sound like he has the insight to do that. Would he go to therapy?

I want to tell you it will be ok, but you're talking about a survivor of extreme childhood abuse, still enmeshed with the abuser, having relationship troubles that are agony for his partner. It really doesn't look good at all.

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Whatisthisfuckery · 14/10/2019 17:39

Have you read up on both BPD and CPTSD? You might find some insight there.

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peculiarways · 14/10/2019 17:39

Oh god I feel sick on the way to meet him. I don't want to lose him

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SevenStones · 14/10/2019 17:55

Flowers

Poor bloke! And poor you. What an awful situation for both of you.

I think in order to move forward in his life to try and reach a healthier place he must come to a point where he has some kind of psychotherapy. I suffered severe trauma and neglect when I was a child and counselling just doesn't cut the mustard if the first time it's addressed is as an adult. A counsellor can listen, a psychotherapist can provide your husband with tools that, if he uses them, will help him. Will help both of you.

The difficulty is getting him there. Does it sound something that may be feasible?

Hope it goes well tonight. Flowers

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MissSmiley · 14/10/2019 19:12

I'm in the process of divorcing a man that you have described to a tee

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MoreProseccoNow · 14/10/2019 20:07

I would think very carefully about continuing; unless he is prepared to engage in therapy, then your life together could be very challenging - to the extent that you become exhausted from all the effort.

Imagine how much more complex this can become if you would like to have DC. He may have lots of issues with becoming a father & parenting.

Please don't think you can "fix" him with love, or that this is your problem to solve.

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Bucatini · 14/10/2019 20:14

How did the conversation go, OP?

I have a lot of sympathy for your DP but you have to protect your own mental health too. Are you thinking of having children with him? It sounds from your description as if he would find fatherhood very difficult.

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MoreProseccoNow · 14/10/2019 20:17

Just another thought, OP: did your own therapy cover co-dependency?

From some of the things you have said (eg "needing" to have been in previous relationships, staying in this relationship at cost to yourself) - you may have codependent traits.

It's worth examining why you have been in relationships where you "need" to be or which don't meet your needs.

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LondonCrone · 14/10/2019 20:42

I’m so sorry to say this, but I think this is a non-starter.

First of all, it isn’t a relationship of equals. It’s him exerting power and you chasing after him, desperate to prove the power of your love. You’re living in a fantasy, and it isn’t one with a happy ending.

I think you both need time apart and some very serious therapy. If spending a week away from any man is torture, you aren’t ready for a relationship — much less one this complex, which I think would require one very stable partner to keep the ship right while the other drifts. But even that sounds like no way to live.

Take a step back. Are you enjoying the drama, just a little bit? Because it will ruin your life. Is your life’s work really chasing after someone who won’t help themselves, and puts their hobby first? It sounds awful to me, and I think it would for you, too, if you weren’t addicted to the tears and the trying and the little golden moments of his affection. No man is worth wasting your life for, and he’s sucking you dry.

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peculiarways · 14/10/2019 23:01

Thanks for all your messages.

I met up with him and as I had half expected he was extremely cold and dismissive. I asked him calmly to explain why he was sad and he did. I listened for ages as he was telling me he felt like I constantly criticised him passively aggressively (he said it had happened three times with things about making him feel bad about picking me up from someone, asking him to help me when I was ill and me not liking him liking him watching porn but not expecting him not to)

I said it wasn't my intention to make him feel like that and I would consider how I came across in future

He said it didn't matter and sat with his arms crossed not making eye contact once. I asked him why he couldn't look at me. He said he felt more comfortable not to. We were together 3 hours and he didn't look at me once.

He said he can't stop feeling like I judged him and we should break up. I asked him whether he wanted to maintain contact he said "I'm not your manager".

He said he would post me my things.

It hurts so much more because it is my birthday tomorrow, and I've now got to get a 2 hour train home. Also, I told him that I had a miscarriage last week which is the reason I was rubbish with contact. He didn't respond to that at all. I asked him why he didn't seem to care and he said I didn't text him before the marathon he did on Sunday to say good luck 😔

I feel like shit. Don't know how I will cope

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Lllot5 · 14/10/2019 23:09

Ffs what a drama. Sure you’ll be better off out if this.

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HasThisSoddingNameGoneToo · 14/10/2019 23:12

He drags you on a two-hour train journey to wank on about his hurt feelings, and dump you the day before your birthday, while ignoring your miscarriage?!

I think you’ll cope just FINE without him. You’re expecting the pain to last a long time. But I know you will in fact be staggered by how quickly you get over him. Honestly.

Infatuation (like you feel for him) vanishes rapidly. I promise.

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Jiggles101 · 14/10/2019 23:21

This man is not emotionally healthy enough for a relationship at this time. It's very sad and it's not his fault but it's the truth.

He will make you utterly miserable. Walk away.

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peculiarways · 14/10/2019 23:51

I know I will get over it but I tried so hard to avoid the bad choices. He seemed lovely. Maybe it is me. Maybe I do being out the worst in people

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Pinkbonbon · 14/10/2019 23:59

Ah...changing my prior answer to: he is an emotionally abusive wanker after all.

And you, stop feeling sorry for yourself. It isn't you, it is him. Delete n block him so you won't be tempted to take him back. He isn't a nice guy at all.

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Pantsomime · 15/10/2019 00:01

OP sounds like you are trying to rescue him- only he can do that. Not feeling a thing for you over a miscarriage is unforgivable- but in the longer term considering another child with this man is unthinkable. Lucky escape for you. You need time with friends and family, for those who love you unconditionally- spend your time with them- you deserve someone who is ready to love you, you don’t need to fight for it

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