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Toxic MIL

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PamelaShipman · 11/04/2012 23:57

Our baby is 1 week old. MIL has been here for the past 3 days visiting as she lives quite a few miles away. She is a witch with form for tainting everything and for her complete emotional absence towards DH. I can't believe I have bitten my tongue throughout her entire visit, and need to share her catalogue of nasty comments or I will explode. Please tell me I'm not going mad and she really is TOXIC:

  • We had asked her to bring some pictures with her of DH as a baby/toddler to compare with DS. She brought some, told us it was 'a bit of a tall order' and said that we could only keep one.
  • I went into the kitchen to make MIL a cup of tea, and she took the opportunity to show DH the little presents that aunties etc had sent for the family, by the time I came back with her tea they had been opened.
  • DH's two brother's haven't acknowledged DS being born at all despite being aware that he is here, not even a text message to DH. MIL told DH he needed to get in touch with his brothers and that it was a problem for her that he hadn't made an effort.
  • MIL then said that DH's younger brother had advised her not to give DH a it of money for the baby as a present as she had planned to do, and that she should put money into an account instead for all of her grandchildren (DS is the only grandchild so presuming future grandchildren). MIL said that she was then going to get an outfit for DS instead but didn't know what size he would be. I don't want her 20 quid from her anyway, but how can DH's brother know that his nephew had been born and all he has to say about him is not to give him anything?
  • Has yet to ask 'how are you', 'how was the labour', 'how are your jobs' etc. She has asked me two questions since she has been here, I made a point of counting.
  • My nan is in a hospice and has days to weeks. I mentioned this to her and she immediately began describing, in minute detail, the deterioration of a man that she had known once who had the same condition as my nan until his eventual death. And then commented that she knew another lady who also had cancer but it wasn't terminal as my nan's is and she got over it 'so it's not always bad news for everyone'. I started crying and DH told MIL to stop, to which she gave him an affronted look.
  • I have waited on her hand and foot, making her cups of tea, making her meals, driving her round. She doesn't say please or thank you, just eats her dinner, puts her dish in the sink and returns to the couch. She has done nothing since she got here, just sits on the couch in silence unless she is speaking about DH's brothers.
  • I stood up earlier and winced. DH asked if I was ok and I replied that I was still feeling a bit sore and had maybe been doing a bit much too early. MIL then said 'well, you do need to hit the ground running when you've had a baby, it's not like being ill'. Fuck off, I had not stopped all day, and she's acting like I'm a lazy cow.
  • If we try to make conversation about anything to do with our lives she gives no response. As in, no acknowledgement that she has even heard us. Since her last visit we have redecorated the whole house and she has given no comment. We showed her the baby's nursery and she looked in and said 'oh'. She thought DH worked in a petrol station. His job is not even similar to working in a petrol station.
  • Made a gushing phone call to one of DH's brothers, all very 'well you are doing so well with your job, love you, no I love you more' whilst sitting with us on the couch. She hasn't said one kind thing to DH, who is such a lovely man and lovely with the baby.
  • Has barely looked at or held DS, made no comments about him being lovely or whatever. She has been with us all day today and held him for the first time at 8pm after she had seen that I had a picture of DH's stepmum holding him. She asked DH to take a picture of her with DS then handed him back. Why bother visiting at all?
  • Has told us that she is coming back at the beginning of June. My brother has pulled strings to fly back from another country where he is studying and will be here on these exact dates especially to see DS. I am not having her tainting that for me as well and taking time away from my brother's visit, she can visit any other time surely.


I just cannot bear to have this woman in my life any more, it has felt as if the past few days have been one long barrage of hurtful comments. Without her here, we have a happy life and are contented with our little lot and I would never usually stand for anyone treating me like this but the onus is really on DH to assert himself (and us) because she's his mum. He has said that he isn't going to say anything to her whilst she is here because it would make the visit awkward and consequently she has treated us both like shit. But he told me that after she leaves he is going to write her a letter telling her how she makes him feel and saying that he doesn't want her to be part of his life or his son's life whilst she continues to act as she does. I know that this will just result in a lengthy reply from MIL full of really hurtful things. But I don't know what we could do other than this. Continue to allow her to treat us however she likes, put DH down constantly, ignore any of his achievements, barely conceal her dislike towards me and let this behaviour continue for our son as well as us? Or let DH send the letter which is going to cause WW3 and when I know that MIL would never accept that her behaviour is an issue anyway.


I'm really sorry that this post has been so long and probably doesn't make any sense, I would really appreciate any support in trying to make sense of this whole situation. I feel like DS's future relationship with MIL and other members of DH's family depends on what we do now, and although I feel that the right thing for DS would be to be surrounded by non toxic people, I'm prepared to be told otherwise.
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ImperialBlether · 12/04/2012 00:02

She sounds awful. Really awful. I'm shocked that given how vile she is that you've had to put up with her just after giving birth. Learn your lesson on that - if you have another baby, don't even tell her until a few weeks have gone past.

Tell her that you're going to be away at the beginning of June. Tell her anything but don't let her come when your brother is visiting. She's had her moment and it went badly - she wouldn't get another chance from me.

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ImperialBlether · 12/04/2012 00:03

I feel sorry for you, but I feel really sorry for your husband. Imagine having a mum like that.

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pumpkinsweetie · 12/04/2012 00:05

Why is she at your house 1week after you giving birth unless she's wanting to help or see her grandson? Sounds like she wants an unpaid skivvy-you should be resting op, mil should be making the tea and helping you wash-up etc.
You have just given birth and you shouldn't be slaving after others especially rude ILs.
Your H needs to take control of this situation as she doesn't seem to care for him much either

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DairyNips · 12/04/2012 00:11

She needs to fuck the fuck off really doesn't she.

How long is she there for? Can dh make her leave early. The letter is a good idea, you don't need this shit in your life from anyone. Get her to make her own cups of tea or ask your dh to do it. Your baby is your priority now, don't wear yourself out for that awful woman!

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piprabbit · 12/04/2012 00:17

Your DH needs to ask her to leave as she is making you so upset during what can be a stressful time without lurking MILs.

Do not agree to her plans to return, there is plenty of time to think about in the coming weeks without being rushed into agreeing anything while she is staying with you.

She is not enhancing the life of your little family, and by the sounds of it she doesn't seem to feel that her relationship with any of you is enhancing her life either. In which case you and your DH have nothing to lose by cutting/reducing contact to a more managable level.

Congratulations on the birth of your DS, I hope you really enjoy the next few weeks.

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piprabbit · 12/04/2012 00:18

Also - it might be worth simply retiring to your bed with your DS and enjoying some bonding time. Only emerge to do things for yourself. Your MIL or DH can pick up the slack.

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PuffPants · 12/04/2012 00:29

I'm so sorry OP, you should be tucked up with your baby in bed, not worrying about all this. She sounds horrible. You know, you'll never get this time back - can't you just tell her to leave? Even if it does cause a riot, just get her out, switch your phones off and focus on this new little life you have made.

Why don't you feign illness? Take to your bed and get your DH to gently boot her out?

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 12/04/2012 00:31

Whatever else you do, tell her that she cannot come to stay in June. "I'm sorry, it's not convenient for you to come and stay then." Repeat as neccessary.

And congratulations on the arrival of your beautiful son!

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sausagerolemodel · 12/04/2012 01:51

Deep breath.

It must feel difficult and there is a lot to cope with, especially when you have a brand new baby; you may be exhausted, and hormone surges may make things feel really extreme. Take some time to relax into your new situation. What happens in the next few days does not mark the rest of your life: indeed, making life changing decisions in the immediate aftermath of a birth is not necessarily a good thing as your outlook is different. I am not saying your mil is not toxic but you have so much on your plate and in your head immediately post birth I wonder if she has become a focus for many issues, not necessarily directly caused by her? Or not knowingly caused by her at least. Some of what you say, could be interpreted in a different way and nobody can know what is meant and intentional and what is not, really.

I suppose what I am saying is don't be offended by anything you haven't questioned directly. People communicate in different ways and something that you find rude could just be someone else's polite (isn't it possible she doesn't know how to ask you about labour without feeling she is imposing?)

Anyway, I hope this does not upset you. I may be wrong, and maybe she is just awful, but few people are truly awful, most just don't know how to communicate and can therefore be upsetting in their attempts. I hope you work it and despite my post if she is upsetting you then you should and Can just ask her to leave. Best wishes SRM x

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AgathaFusty · 12/04/2012 09:01

When is she due to go home? I think she should be asked to leave sooner than later, if possible.
Maybe take to your bed for a while (could be on midwife's advice Grin), if your H is then upstairs with you too, that would leave her downstairs alone. Hopefully she should get that hint pretty quickly.
Failing that, could you tell her that you are going to stay with a relative or friend for some rest for a few days? Get rid of her that way?

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CailinDana · 12/04/2012 10:25

Sorry to be harsh here OP but your DH is really letting you down. It is very sad for him that he has such an awful mother, but he has a wife and a baby now and his duty is towards you two. He is allowing you both to be trampled over by his mother and this is seriously not on. He needs to get some courage and tell his shit of a mother to fuck off. I feel so sorry for you that you have to put with this sort of abuse so soon after having a baby.

BTW why are YOU making making meals and cups of tea? What's your DH doing?? You should be parked in bed or on the couch and you should not be moving unless you absolutely want to.

Nothing is going to change your MIL but your DH definitely has to change how he deals with her. There is no way I would let my mother treat my DH like this.

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mamas12 · 12/04/2012 11:58

Please really need to think yourself and your newborn.
You have just given birth and nwborn is just trying to get used to being a baby.

Take to your bed abd ket them get on with it downstairs Honestly, everyone should be looking after you, if you think you need to get up and do something for anyone STOP and think, if you go down then all the family will feel the impact.

Your dh should shoulder this situation withHIS mother

Go on do yourself and your family a favour and go to bed and recover properly and get used to being a mother

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pumpkinsweetie · 12/04/2012 12:05

I agree with the others, get yourself to bed with your baby.
Take upstairs, anything you may need and let your DH deal with her, on that subject where on earth is he & why isnt he making the tea & dinner-he must be on paternity leave im guessing??
Make the most of these early days with your dc yoy wont get them back.
Maybe leaving her to get on with it will give her the message to heave ho outta yo house.
This woman is making herself a burden to you which you could do without after just given birth to a baby.
Get some rest and let others do the running for you unless you actually WANT to do something dont do it.
She isnt YOUR mum and im sure if she was she would be taking care of you.
Your DH should tell her if she isn't going to help out she isn't welcome Angry

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PamelaShipman · 12/04/2012 12:16

Thanks everyone, she leaves in about an hour I cannot wait! Just writing this on my phone so can't reply properly, but I agree DH should take responsibility and be assertive with her rather than waiting for her to leave then trying to avoid her next visit. If it was a member of my family I would have pulled them up on their behaviour straight away but I feel in a difficult position. DH has been making cups of tea and doing the nappy changes etc as well, I have been more inclined to do all this stuff though to escape from her for a bit. I am sure she will have something nasty to say before leaving either that or just 'bye, see you soon', and then slate us to the rest of the family when she gets home. I just don't know how to handle her after she's gone, I can't put up with another visit ever, and I don't want her in my life or my sons life.

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AgathaFusty · 12/04/2012 12:23

Thank goodness she's going Smile - hope you and your h have a lovely time now with your baby together.

Other posters are right in that he should take responsibility and deal with her. However, as the proud owner of a fairly toxic mother myself, I know only too well how difficult it is to do that if you have been conditioned from birth to take crap from them. I'm sure in time, now he is a dad, he will improve though, either that or make the decision to cut contact.

Enjoy your new baby!

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pumpkinsweetie · 12/04/2012 12:25

YayyySmile, congrats on your new baby, enjoy it.
Maybe your DH is 'conditioned' as my DH is too, my pil can be vile at times Angry so i know how all this feels.
Try to make excuses about her next visit x

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McPopcornMouseNFries · 12/04/2012 12:39

She sounds awful. I think a travelodge would be in order in future??

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PamelaShipman · 12/04/2012 14:09

Well she's gone! I made her a nice lunch, she sat and ate it in silence then went back to sit on the couch, and soon after DH was taking her to the train station. She kissed me on the cheek and said 'bye', before walking out of the house. I don't know why I hoped she would make any other comment like lovely seeing you, thanks for having me, my grandson is lovely... DH said that when he dropped her off at the train station she started crying when he said bye to her and then because he didn't seem upset too she said 'you don't care, do you'. How ironic! Can she not see that in fact she clearly doesn't care, not about DH or her grandson? The only time I saw her look animated today was after DH told her that we had been worried about the baby during the night after he was sick, I suppose the usual niggles parents have with a tiny baby, just keeping an eye on him in his moses basket in case he was sick again, nothing out of the ordinary. Anyway she approached me and, with her face all lit up, said 'ooh, I believe you had a bad night last night!' I said that we hadn't really and that DS had gone 4 hours between feeds as usual, but just know that she will cling on to anything negative she can to recount to the family, I can just imagine the comments ' oh Pamela and DH are struggling' aaargh.

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mamas12 · 12/04/2012 14:31

You have just got to realise that you will NEVER win with someone like her so stop trying.

All you can do is do the right thing by YOU and then whatever she does is whatever she does/says.

I am pretty sure that everyone else around her knows what she is like too so don't worry on that score.

Suit yourself in any and all arrangements will give you a lot less stress in your dealings with her because now you know your place is in the wrong what ever you do so, do what you want.

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AgathaFusty · 12/04/2012 15:56

How did your DH respond when she said that to him at the train station?

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lolaflores · 12/04/2012 16:05

Don't worry about her for future reference. I am sure the rest of the family know what a shit stirrer she is and if they know anything about you, they will put it through the MIL Filter. That is what we do with my Mum. If any information is received via her, we know better than to believe 90% of it. Mind you that is after quite a bit of nastiness on her behalf.
So, her husband remarried? A very bitter woman then, and it sounds like everyone is still paying for it. Who did the leaving? Oh let me guess...

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Snowboarder · 12/04/2012 17:44

I do think by and large, MILS get a lot of stick on MN, often unfairly - however yours sounds like an, absolute nightmare. Well done for keeping your patience with her so far!

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brass · 12/04/2012 18:37

I would say cut your losses now. She will never change if she is like this now and has been unkind to your DH in her parenting of him.

The doting on the siblings is a passive stick to beat you with and will simply extend to doting on siblings DC when they have them (at the expense of your DC of course). I'm sure you can imagine the hurt to come.

It's all power games with people like this. Please don't keep going back for more.

Congratulations on your LO, enjoy these beautiful days and put this awful woman out of your mind and your lives.

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cocolepew · 12/04/2012 18:43

If she mentions coming in June again, just say no.

Congratulations on your new baby.

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