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TerrysNo2 Tue 14-May-13 11:23:19

Has anyone got one?

I want one when we next move house but I need to sell the idea to DH.

dreams of no more gunky tea and not having to clean the shower screen

PigletJohn Tue 14-May-13 11:56:43

yes and I wouldn't be without it. Better tea, soft towels, no limescale, cleaning far easier

said it all before

CuddyMum Tue 14-May-13 12:44:41

Wow piglet you really have said it all before.

I might look into this myself smile

TerrysNo2 Tue 14-May-13 13:33:34

PigletJohn I was hoping you'd pop up, I saw you mention this on another thread! I can see you've made a lot of comments and am reading some of them but so I don't have to trawl through all those threads can you tell me:

- how much do they cost?
- what do you think the payback is?

I would have to convince DH of this and the fact its worth sacrificing something else we could get (like nice garden furniture)

PigletJohn Tue 14-May-13 14:15:56

some hundreds of pounds but should not be a thousand

no scale or lime in bathroom, kitchen. Mirrors and windows gleam easily. Better tasting tea.

You will use half as much washing powder, and not need to buy many other cleaning materials. You can keep bathroom and kitchen clean with a damp sponge and WUL.

You will have soft shiny hair and not need conditioners.

Anybody who wet shaves wil be stunned at how much smoother and easier it it.

lazydog Tue 14-May-13 19:56:01

"You will have soft shiny hair and not need conditioners"

Hahahahaha!!! You've obviously not met my hair grin

We have a water softener and agree with all PigletJohn that it makes a huge difference. One major bonus we've noticed (because our water was high in iron) is that white clothes stay white for much longer - the "rust" would turn them a yucky beige with the very first wash without the softener.

napkin Tue 14-May-13 21:46:50

Do you notice a lot of difference with the softener and your washing lazydog? Wan't to get one myself but keep reading a lot of negatives and positives about them and just not sure!

Lonecatwithkitten Tue 14-May-13 22:48:47

Drinking water should not pass through the water softener as it adds salts and water sits in the softener for a small amount of time. It is great for bath water etc and then I use a Brita water filter for drinking water.

lazydog Tue 14-May-13 23:16:56

napkin A huge difference, yes, but we're on well water, not mains, and our issue is with too much iron, not calcium, as is probably more common in the UK.

lazydog Tue 14-May-13 23:27:48

We drink the water and we're not dead yet . It does add sodium, but none of us have high blood pressure so don't really watch our salt intake that much. I checked and was pleasantly surprised to find that a cup (8 fl oz) of softened water contains on average 12.5 milligrams of sodium, while a single slice of bread contains anywhere between 100-200 milligrams!!

The idea of the water sitting in the tank for a small amount of time doesn't bother me at all. We use a lot of water and the softener is quite small, so it's definitely not going to have time to sit and get stagnant.

Chipping75 Wed 15-May-13 06:19:24

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ferrarigirl Fri 17-May-13 06:25:58

We have had an electronic water conditioner in for 5 years now - easy to install (DIY 20 minutes) and you don't have to add chemicals, filters or salts etc, meaning you can still drink water straight from the tap. Very compact - has transformed our water and I wouldn't be without it. We got ours from Cheers

kittycat68 Fri 17-May-13 09:40:25

i had one fitted six months ago cost me £750.00 for everying including fitting.
we live in a hard water area, Will make your shower taps washing machine dishwasher last alot longer!! I still use conditioner on my hairsmile
You should not run it through the main cold water tap!!!! apart from the fact its incrediably salty too. it runs all the other water outlets though!! including the boiler. in the longer term it will save you money due to the fact that your appliances and boiler will last longer!

PigletJohn Fri 17-May-13 10:05:31

There should never be ANY salt in the tapwater.

If there is, your machine needs mending.

lazydog Fri 17-May-13 17:26:06

PigletJohn - No it doesn't!? It's totally normal for a softener to increase sodium levels in the tap water, but at a very low level.

lazydog Fri 17-May-13 17:28:08

Ours works on the principle of ion exchange and the "exchange" is of sodium ions, in place of the iron, calcium and magnesium ions it removes. Miniscule amounts, but certainly their presence means it's doing its job, not that it's faulty!

I really like my water softner - had it for 13/14 years. I add block salt. I am not sure about payback financially but I Like very much the idea of being able to use detergents etc very sparingly and stuff is still clean. Also there is a lot less limescale and I think this has helped me keep the heating system going longer and stopped the hot water tank furring up. It was £1000 and a replacement would be similar cost - I live in South east. Apparently they are now smaller.

PigletJohn Fri 17-May-13 17:50:57


I used the word salt because kittycat60 said "incrediably salty"

There should never be ANY salt in the tapwater.

If there is, your machine needs mending.

I agree that there will be a tiny amount of sodium bicarbonate (as used in indigestion remedies and baking powder) in the water. If you drink 2 litres of softened water every day for a month, you will ingest as much sodium from it as is contained in a traspoonful of salt.

vicky228 Fri 17-May-13 22:26:25

I've been quoted £1000 to have one fitted (not including the cost of the machine itself). This seems a lot more than I expected but it is from a reputable local company so I don't think they're trying it on.

They say they have to locate where the mains water supply pipe runs, run hard water connection to the kitchen cold water tap and the softened water elsewhere and do something with an electrical connection and overflow. But how come nobody else seems to have to pay this much to have a softener fitted??

PigletJohn Sat 18-May-13 08:40:20

If I thought I could find people willing to pay a thousand pounds to fit a water softener, I'd take it up as a part time job.

If you provide Jaffa cakes, I could give you a special price of £999.

Have you got parking for my Bentley?

PigletJohn Sat 18-May-13 11:58:57


Ask around for a recommended local plumber. That's all it needs. He will probably also source one from the local plumbers merchant if you ask.

Send me half the savings....

vicky228 Tue 28-May-13 16:42:10

Dammit. Got a water softener company in who'd estimated around £200 for fitting, depending on a site visit - and they can't find our stopcock so can't do anything. I presume this was what bumped up the original quote.

Why would a stopcock be so well hidden??

HaveToWearHeels Tue 28-May-13 22:47:17

Vicky I couldn't find mine in my previous house until it developed a very slow leak which lifted the wood flooring. Kitchen was at the back but stop cock was behind a funny panel thinging in the hallway. it was boxed in with access via a circular hole that was covered with a circle of wood, sort of like a key hole cover on a large scale iyswim confused

vicky228 Wed 29-May-13 21:14:20

Eek. We had a funny panel thing in our hallway which I thought was just cleaning access to a chimney for an antique woodburner we don't use. We've just plastered over it and redecorated...

HaveToWearHeels Wed 29-May-13 22:15:25

whoops, that could have been it !

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