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How do you decode "ball"

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lolalotta Sun 12-Nov-17 19:41:11

So we came across "ball" in a Songbirds book tonight, I wasn't sure how to explain we go about decoding that to my DD? Then it got me thinking about tall, call, hall, wall etc! Can anyone help? I had a look in the Oxford phonics spelling dictionary but I still couldn't work it out! Thank you!

Balfe Sun 12-Nov-17 19:43:06

In my accent, the a represents an o.

ineedamoreadultieradult Sun 12-Nov-17 19:43:40

In my limited experience 'all' is a red word and therefore has to be learnt not de coded. Then you would just add the other sound at the begining.

parrotonmyshoulder Sun 12-Nov-17 19:46:17

The letter ‘a’ represents the sound ‘or’.

MrsKCastle Sun 12-Nov-17 19:46:23

Well in my accent it's a bit like b-or-l, with the 'al' making the same sound as in walk, talk, always, already.

Balfe Sun 12-Nov-17 19:46:51

All words can be decoded, you just need to know the code.

The 'll' is making the same sound it always does, it's the a that's acting the goat smile

Marcine Sun 12-Nov-17 19:46:55

Depending on your accent, the a might make an or sound - borl, horl, torl. I would just say "in this word, the a makes an or sound" and mention the other all words.

What's a "red word" - is that from a particular scheme?

MrsHathaway Sun 12-Nov-17 19:49:13

I think "all" is a grapheme in its own right, isn't it? As pp points out, it makes the same sound in several different words (all, ball, call, fall, etc).

It's better to say "aw" than "or", while we're here, or those from NI/Scotland/West Country will confused

RafaIsTheKingOfClay Sun 12-Nov-17 22:25:41

I would do it as the spelling 'al' represents the sound /or/.

Then you can show other examples like wall, tall, fall, all, call, talk, walk etc.

Ineed red words can be decoded. They just contain a bit of phonics that children haven't been yet taught. The usual procedure for teaching them should be to point out the 'tricky' bit and then blend them like you would any other word.

CanIBuffalo Sun 12-Nov-17 22:27:27

Bloody vowels!

sirfredfredgeorge Sun 12-Nov-17 23:01:10

It's better to say "aw" than "or", while we're here, or those from NI/Scotland/West Country will confused

I'm from west country and or and aw sound identical... so I'm confused by you, but I know it's different elsewhere, so your point still stands of course!

MrsHathaway Sun 12-Nov-17 23:34:54

In parts of Bristol they even put an R in Dalek (darrrrlek) but I apologise for generalizing too far geographically wine

Kokeshi123 Mon 13-Nov-17 04:04:39

"al" represents the /aw/ sound.

t-al-k = /t/ /aw/ /k/
b-al-l = /b/ /aw/ /l/

I teach a lot of North American English speakers, so avoid putting /aw/ sounds and /or/ sounds into the same group.

I made a poster for the "word wall" which listed up these words in a group: wall, tall, ball, all, fall, call, mall, stall, walk, talk, and one or two others. With repeated practice, they eventually get it.

Norestformrz Mon 13-Nov-17 05:25:38

In ball the sound /or/ is spelt a. So /b/ /or/ /l/

Norestformrz Mon 13-Nov-17 05:54:12

I’d group ball tall hall fall stall squall water as having the same spelling for /or/
And walk, talk, chalk stalk having the same spelling
Saw, prawn, awful, yawn, shawl, tawdry, drawer as having the same spelling

All /or/ sounds (unfortunately there are 14 common ways to spell /or/ in English)

sallythesheep73 Mon 13-Nov-17 14:51:40

My 4 y. O. Would say b-all if you asked him to spell it.

Dragonglass Mon 13-Nov-17 17:07:02

I am trying to work out how get /or/ in ball confused

To me it is b/aw/l

GetTheGoodLookingGuy Mon 13-Nov-17 17:22:16

/or/ /aw/ and /au/ are all the same sound, but I can't hear any of them in ball. I would teach /all/ as a separate sound, (so b-all, c-all, f-all, w-all etc) but it's not in the phonic scheme my school uses.

Norestformrz Mon 13-Nov-17 17:42:59

aw is the spelling for the sound /or/

Norestformrz Mon 13-Nov-17 17:44:56

All is two sounds /or/ and /l/

GetTheGoodLookingGuy Mon 13-Nov-17 18:00:44

I can see how this way of pronouncing all is /or/ /l/, but that's not how I would pronounce it (Dorset). I can't find a video of the way I would say it, but it's the same sound in jewel (j-all).

Dragonglass Mon 13-Nov-17 18:01:46

but aw and or are totally different sounds to me (I am sitting here saying aw and or over and over again smile)

GetTheGoodLookingGuy Mon 13-Nov-17 18:07:15

So do yawn and born not sound the same for you, dragon glass ? At my school, we teach or, aw, au, oor, and ore all as the same sound - they all sound the same to me.

Dragonglass Mon 13-Nov-17 18:12:33

no, there is a 'r' in born. It is a subtle difference for me, but locals with a stronger accent would have a bigger difference iyswim (I'm in the south-west)

Norestformrz Mon 13-Nov-17 18:27:36

So would you say /saw and sore/ /porn and pawn/ /pot and pour and paw / etc differently

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