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Laura0806 Mon 20-May-13 23:09:46

Just wondering if anyone could tell me. my DD was entered for level 3 in year 2 SATS, She panicked and said she didn't get any right (although shes well capable of the work). What happens if she didn't take the level 2 but fails the level 3, what will they give her as a level?Also, not that it really matters at this age but any tips to overcome nerves or anyone experienced chidlren who grow out of it?It can't be very nice for her although i think they are too young to be taking tests myself. Shes not 7 till August.

mrz Tue 21-May-13 06:42:01

The level reported in KS1 is teacher assessment (the test is meant to support the Teacher Assessed level it isn't hugely important)

IndiansInTheLobby Tue 21-May-13 06:50:06

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

mrz Tue 21-May-13 06:52:58

The rules are quite clear they should do either the level 2 test OR the level 3 test NOt both.

Makingchanges Tue 21-May-13 06:55:41

I know the rules but my daughter has also been entered for both by her school.

mrz Tue 21-May-13 06:56:57

"The statutory National Curriculum tasks and tests must be administered to all eligible children who are working at level 1 or above in reading, writing and mathematics. Tasks and tests are designed to help inform the final teacher assessment judgement reported for each child at the end of Key Stage 1.
If teacher assessment and task and test results differ, the teacher assessment results should be reported, provided the judgement is based on an appropriate range of evidence from work completed in class.
Schools are not obliged to report task or test results separately. However, parents must be allowed access to their child’s results on request."

mankyscotslass Tue 21-May-13 06:58:18

I remember you saying that two years ago mrz, when DD had hers and they all did the level 2, then the ones all doing the level 3 did it later.

This time its my DS2 that has just done his, and they did the same again - reading and maths, they all sat the level 2, then the ones doing the level 3 did then in a different class on a different day.

I queried it with the headteacher two year ago and got fobbed off, I was not surprised it was the same this year.

mrz Tue 21-May-13 07:01:08

"The teacher should decide which level of tasks or tests should be used for each child, taking into account their knowledge of the level at which the child is working.
Teachers can use the tasks and tests to inform their assessment judgements at any time during the year, but children are not to be tested more than once during the year in each subject or attainment target."

Laura0806 Tue 21-May-13 12:29:01

Thank you thats helpful. She was just entered for the level 3 and I dont think the teacher was putting presssure on her she just gets very nervous about everything. Her teacher is very sweet, she is capable of a level 3, she just panics in tests ( I was the same).

Taffeta Tue 21-May-13 13:29:11

Interesting. My Y2 DD was asked to sit in a Y1 classroom whilst most of her class sat what I assume was a L3 SATs paper. She was told this was because she wasn't clever enough to do the test.

caffeinated Tue 21-May-13 13:49:32

Taffeta that is hideous.

Startail Tue 21-May-13 13:53:00

That's horrid Taffeta

And they have clearly changed the rules as I'm sure DD2 did both papers 2 and 3, but she was the last externally marked year I believe.

And actually the teacher did papers 2-3 because she broke her arm.

Feenie Tue 21-May-13 18:51:33

Year 2 assessments have never been externally marked.

mrz Tue 21-May-13 18:55:50

It was the rule in 1997 when I first administered KS1 tests ...

MrsMelons Tue 21-May-13 21:05:26

Taffeta that is horrendous.

At DSs school they all sat L2 then if they got a 2a they sat the level 3. I do not understand this if the child is clearly a level 3 and there really shouldn't be any surprises by this stage.

Are they externally moderated Mrz?

Feenie Tue 21-May-13 21:14:27

Yes, they are every three years by the LEA, who will want to see lots more evidence of a level 3 than a test, and will not take kindly to schools who overtest and, as you say, don't know their children well enough.

MrsMelons Tue 21-May-13 21:17:44

I am only going by what DS told me though. I think they did a practice test and he thought it was the real one. The teacher then said they hadn't actually started them. It was all very confusing,

I know they have finished now and the teacher mentioned them being moderated after half term?

In spite of them apparently doing the L2 and 3 tests wrongly I do think the school in general has been brilliant in knowing the individual children really well so can't complain.

mrz Tue 21-May-13 21:21:42

I always "walk through" a past paper in class to familiarise the children with the format but don't use it as a test. The current Y2 did the same this year.

hamsternumber1 Tue 21-May-13 21:28:26

I'm pretty sure DS1 has done level 2&3. Apparently some children were also given the choice to 'try' the level 3 or not.

I haven't really read up much about SATS so don't really know. However I'm pleased with our school.

Parents have been given no information, which I think reduces pressure on the pupils.

DS has certainly been very relaxed about them.

Feenie Tue 21-May-13 21:45:48

Doesn't matter if they 'try' them or not, in terms of assessment.

If they 'try' and get level 3, and their work is not secure at 3, they remain a 2a.

If they 'try' and don't get level 3, and don't get it but their work is secure at 3, they are a level 3.

Feenie Tue 21-May-13 21:46:39

Overtesting is against the statutory rules and smacks of an insecure teacher, or insecure SMT, or both.

MrsMelons Tue 21-May-13 21:49:56

I really want to find out exactly what they have done as you always just assume they are doing the right thing and I am also aware you cannot always take the word of a 7 YO as gospel grin which is what I am doing I guess.

The one thing that the teachers have been clear to us about is that they will be reporting their actual NC levels as well as their SATs marks.

Feenie Tue 21-May-13 21:51:46

They are legally obliged to report their actual NC levels! Test marks are not supposed to be reported, since they are supposed to be such a small part of the overall teacher assessment.

LilRedWG Tue 21-May-13 21:54:35

It is my honest belief that year two children should not even know they are doing their sats, let alone be discussing levels. I would be having worse with the school for stressing DD if I were you.

MrsMelons Tue 21-May-13 21:59:34

Is that the offical guidance though? Various friends DCs at different schools were all given their SATs marks last year, some along with their NC level but one of them at one school was given a L3 for all subjects, no sub level and she was told that was his SATs results, they had never been given an NC level the whole time they were there, they just used A, B, C, D. This is info from 3 different schools in the same LEA.

DSs school have always given NC levels so I have no doubt they are continually assessing the children, I am somewhat confused over the SATs though now, the school has had a very dynamic head who turned the school around so I guess I am quite surprised that they are not following the correct guidelines.

I am so glad of MN to keep us informed as clearly the schools aren't!

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