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Why are cruel parenting sites legal?

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Blu Mon 15-May-06 15:21:26

I have heard of Gary Ezzo before, and today discovered the horrific Michael Pearl. Pearl and his wife actually advocate beating children under the age of one with 'switches' from a tree, and describe horrendous incidences where they have beaten other peopel's children. He instructs parents to beat children relentlessly.

Since incitement to other kinds of violence is banned, and the beahviour this man admits to is presumably legally child abuse, why is it permissable that he openly encourages people to beat children. To beat babies? (he proudly describes beating an 11 month old on his bare leg with a stick).

I really, really want him arrested.

ScummyMummy Mon 15-May-06 15:23:12

He sounds like a **. Is he in the UK, blu? I think you could certainly report him to his local social services and police if so.

spursmum Mon 15-May-06 15:23:14

I'd like to be able to beat him without getting arrested. See how he likes it.

PanicPants Mon 15-May-06 15:23:37

Is this true? How can he get away with it? Aren't social services interested in what he gets upto?

shellybelly Mon 15-May-06 15:23:46

can't possibly be in this country, infact which civilised country allows this kind of treatment to infants?????

Blu Mon 15-May-06 15:24:35

No, he's American.

here is his description of 'training' an 11 month old:

As I was writing this I was interrupted by a child screaming. Deb is baby-sitting an eleven-month-old little boy. I let him scream for about five minutes, as I wrote the last lines of the above paragraph, and then I left my office and went to investigate. Deb was doing business on the phone—talking to a missionary, long distance. The child was clawing at the back door, trying to get it open so he could go outside. I picked up a switch and walked over to where he was conducting his scream-in. In a calm but firm voice I said, "No, stop crying." I didn’t expect him to respond, but I wanted to establish the rules. When he failed to respond, I switched him twice on the only exposed skin—about three inches between his sock and pants leg. Again he did what I expected, what he does when his mother swats him—scream in defiance. But I have seen her swat him, and it never even gets his attention, other than a signal to scream louder. But when I switched his bare skin, he looked shocked and started to rub it. He continued to cry in protest, so I gave him two more licks on the bare leg. This time, he was convinced that I meant business. I know that he understood the issue, because he crawled past me, away from the door. Again I commanded him to stop crying, brandishing the switch. He stopped crying immediately, continuing to rub his leg while staring at me.

anniemac Mon 15-May-06 15:25:17

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

shellybelly Mon 15-May-06 15:25:30

does this cruel indivdual have his own website or something (could report him for sure if he has) where on earth did you hear about him and be sure everyone on here will now and want to report him too!!

TambaTheDragonSlayer Mon 15-May-06 15:27:16

thats really awful. Poor baby

TambaTheDragonSlayer Mon 15-May-06 15:30:29

From googling it seems he is deeply religious and is using ' the same technique God uses to train his children'

here is there site

Melpomene Mon 15-May-06 15:31:09

I had heard of Ezzo before but not Pearl. I just found his website

It actually seems like they're advocating spanking FROM BIRTH.

Quote: "During the developing years, from birth through six or seven, the rod is an indispensable aid in providing the child with a controlled learning experience that will prepare him to make proper decisions when he is older. "

snafu Mon 15-May-06 15:33:40

Quote from Michael and Debi Pearl's daughter:

"I remember only one spanking. I remember it because I laughed all the way through it, and so did my Dad. I had played a prank that was dangerous, but funny, and fully deserved a spanking for it, but my parents were unable to spank me without laughing. That is the only spanking I clearly remember. The others were so well-deserved my conscience was able to write off the memory once the deed was paid for."

Strange, because the only times I've ever come close to 'spanking' ds, laughter has been very far from my mind. IF I was laughing whilst hitting my child, I'd take a closer look at my motivation.

Blu Mon 15-May-06 15:34:44

Amazon make MONEY out of selling the book that this comes from.

Another extract, on how to get children to go to bed.:

<<Place a glass of water in her room, and also a little potty. Let her watch the clock with you. When the hand gets to the bedtime hour, you will kiss her good night and leave the room. Do not answer any more questions, and do not respond except with a switch, in the event she breaks any of the rules. If she gets up to potty, there had better be yellow liquid in the pot, or she gets another switching.

Do not threaten to spank her until she stops crying. For some children that would work, but you do not want to challenge her to a contest that you cannot win. She may be able to tolerate the pain longer than you can tolerate giving it. Once she outcries the switch, she will keep on doing so, stretching her endurance longer and longer each time. You can harden a child to your ultimatums by allowing her to win the switching-or-else contest. The point is to win any objective contests she initiates. You can’t make her stop crying, but you can stand over her and make sure she does not get out of the bed. You don’t have to spank excessively. Your goal is to get her to "voluntarily" return to the bed.

If she gets out of bed, go in there, and without saying a word, give her one or two licks—whatever it takes to get her back in bed. If she rushes to obey when she hears you coming, give her five licks anyway.

Do not drag her to the bed. It is important that she exercise her own will to obey. If she throws a screaming fit, give her several moderate licks every few minutes and wait beside her until she is so tired she obeys. Do this all night long, every night, until she readily complies.

If she puts her shoes on backwards, do not threaten or complain, just commence giving her licks right on her feet or ankles until she gets her shoes on the right feet. If she takes her shoes off in the yard, do not warn her, just go out in the yard and spank her feet until she finds her shoes and puts them back on.>>

He is part of some 'ministry' (so presumably has a particular hold over some parents) but whay would anyone sell his books on the open market.

Won't copy any more of his stuff (don't want to read it or return to his website), but I really don't understand why this can be sold, published, and admitted wothout prosecution.

TambaTheDragonSlayer Mon 15-May-06 15:36:21

He's sick!

womblingalong Mon 15-May-06 15:37:15

This has brought tears of rage and outrage to my eyes, I am honestly agahst that anyone in this day and age from a so called eveloped country would be advocating this type of behaviour!

Melpomene Mon 15-May-06 15:38:12

Another quote:

"Many people are using a section of ¼ inch plumber’s supply line as a spanking instrument. It will fit in your purse or hang around you neck. You can buy them for under $1.00 at Home Depot or any hardware store. They come cheaper by the dozen and can be widely distributed in every room and vehicle. Just the high profile of their accessibility keeps the kids in line."

snafu Mon 15-May-06 15:38:28

It's actually making me feel sick to read it. Hitting a child because they put their shoes on the wrong feet? How fucked-up can you get?

bluejelly Mon 15-May-06 15:38:52

God this makes me feel ill... mind you there's loads of sick websites in the world and nothing we can really do about them...

Jessajam Mon 15-May-06 15:39:06

Am sitting here with mouth open in horror and feeling sick. This is just foul...and it's not just the actions he is advocating, it's the tone in which he does it..."there had better be yellow liquid in the pot"

Blu Mon 15-May-06 15:39:17

This was written in 2000.
This Millennium.

And Amazon sell it for profit.

TBH, I feel like boycotting them. I think I will write.

Freedom of speech, anyone?

ProfYaffle Mon 15-May-06 15:39:24

I can't read anymore - sick beyond belief.

womblingalong Mon 15-May-06 15:39:25

and have also lost the ability to spell too

snafu Mon 15-May-06 15:40:24

That's the spirit, bluejelly.

TambaTheDragonSlayer Mon 15-May-06 15:41:05

Is there a comments section on his site?

Mascaraohara Mon 15-May-06 15:41:23

This is disgusting.

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