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Scotsman Newspaper puts swastika on the saltire.

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TapselteerieO Sun 07-Apr-13 12:22:50

Can't bring myself to link to the paper, there is the image of the Saltire in their paper, but with a swastika instead of a cross.

So irrespective of how you will vote, do you think they are wrong to use nazi imagery to attack pro-independence voters?

LadyBeagleEyes Sun 07-Apr-13 12:31:09

And Klan Alba?

GlaikitHasHerFizzBack Sun 07-Apr-13 12:32:32

I do think its wrong. To imply that pro independence supporters are in any way similar to hitler and his ideals is bullying and down right wrong.

TapselteerieO Sun 07-Apr-13 12:37:58

I think Klan Alba is a klu klux klan reference too - but I am inferring that.

LadyBeagleEyes Sun 07-Apr-13 12:39:20

What else could it be Taps?

trixymalixy Sun 07-Apr-13 12:41:05

FFS. I'm going to vote no to independence, but think this is totally wrong and quite offensive.

TapselteerieO Sun 07-Apr-13 12:42:05

Well at least we are not alone in thinking it is wrong here but where is the balanced media debate that we all want? Is there a paper out there that is willing to give an opposing view? Is the media just for unionists? (Happy to be proved wrong).

Annunziata Sun 07-Apr-13 12:44:05

I will vote no but that is horrible.

FannyFifer Sun 07-Apr-13 12:45:41

I am disgusted that my flag has been defaced in this manner, every Scottish person regardless of how they intend to vote should be horrified by this.

LadyBeagleEyes Sun 07-Apr-13 12:52:21

I'd be interested to hear any comments from Alex Salmond and the SNP on this.
I hope this is brought up in the Scottish parliament.

TapselteerieO Sun 07-Apr-13 13:05:49

I would love to here from all the parties, even the Tories. It is just unjustifiable to me - I can't think of one reason why it would be okay to link the yes vote with Nazism?

Or even on a basic level outwith the voting debate - why would it ever be okay for The Scotsman/Scotland on Sunday to put a swastika on the saltire and put it in their newspaper?

SundaeGirl Sun 07-Apr-13 13:10:17

Wow, that's interesting. The Scotsman is nearly on it's last legs - this kind of stunt is exactly what it needs to get people reading/talking about it again.

Sorry, I realise that's not what you are posting about, OP. I'm not shocked tbh because it's just press drama. No one should actually be offended. I'm Scottish btw.

SantanaLopez Sun 07-Apr-13 13:12:37

Didn't the Herald pull a similar stunt a while ago? I remember that photo quite clearly.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Sun 07-Apr-13 13:20:44

I saw this too and couldn't believe it!

It was just such a shocking, and inaccurate image.

TapselteerieO Sun 07-Apr-13 13:39:00

So " press drama" makes it okay Sundae, do you also agree with the Daily Fails use of the Philpotts to hurt all people on benefits?

I agree with you on the fact that the Scotsman might see it as getting publicity at any cost but sometimes negative publicity sticks - I just hope it sticks to them like shit.

We need open, honest debate and this is a very clear example of the Bitter Together's campaign and negative attitude to the debate through a powerful media - whatever happens to The Scotsman they are one of our biggest newspapers - and although I have not bought one of their papers for a long time because they do not represent my views, I still think they need to apologise for this - it is insulting on so many levels. We have press complaints commission for a reason, and thinking it is okay to print trash needs to be called wrong. Or does anything go?

TapselteerieO Sun 07-Apr-13 13:40:01

Santana can you find the Herald article? I did a quick google but couldn't find anything.

SantanaLopez Sun 07-Apr-13 13:50:07

I can't. I am sure I remember something very similar though.

I disagree with 'press drama'. There is drama and there is the clear insinuation that the Yes campaign/SNP are fascists, which is insulting to them and those who suffered from fascism no matter which way you will vote.

GlaikitFizzog Sun 07-Apr-13 13:50:51

Bitter Together grin brilliant!

SantanaLopez Sun 07-Apr-13 13:52:10

Ah, DH has just told me the photo is from the front of Devine's book. I don't know why I connected it with the Herald confused

SantanaLopez Sun 07-Apr-13 13:52:50

[[ Here] is the original.

SantanaLopez Sun 07-Apr-13 13:53:05

Shit. Here

SundaeGirl Sun 07-Apr-13 14:22:03

I just think I have thicker skin, that's all. Dramatic imagery is used on all sides of the debate. I wouldn't use Nazi imagery to depict nationalists, but then I wouldn't describe unionists as Bitter either.

MrsBungle Sun 07-Apr-13 14:24:53

shock I cannot believe they have done that to The Saltire angry

GlaikitFizzog Sun 07-Apr-13 14:27:58

I think the bitter was a typo sundae hmm

SantanaLopez Sun 07-Apr-13 14:45:16

I've heard Bitter Together used quite often.

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