Honestly leave voters..

[allegretto]

If the question on the ballot had been REMAIN or LEAVE to join the EEA what would you have chosen?

[RortyCrankle]

It wasn't so a somewhat irrelevant question.

[GetAHaircutCarl]

I think that is the key question.

If people were voting on sovereignty and not freedom of movemt.

[MoggyP]

If you were asked 'do you prefer unicorns or trolls?' what would you have answered?

It wasn't the question, and hypotheticals aren't going to change the outcome.

[HippiePrincess]

Oh. I didnt realise there might have been another option
Ffs

[allegretto]

Yes it's a hypothetical question but seeing as that is what we're probably going to get it's a relevant one.

[HippiePrincess]

Ok. You first

[JayDot500]

Very appropriate question. We won't be losing 'freedom of movement' anytime soon. Given that likelihood, many probably would not have seen much point in leaving. Immigrants are still going to come, we might just not have to pay them benefits.

[Destinysdaughter]

I think a lot of pp were simply voting to get all immigrants ( and non white pp) out considering what's happened since...

[allegretto]

Well I didnt vote leave! But I'm struggling to see how all this hardship and upset is going to be worth basically being back where we were before minus a vote - but I would be very happy for someone to tell me what the advantage is.

[Destinysdaughter]

Think the referendum question should have been, Are you a bigot, yes or no?

[Helmetbymidnight]

According to The times, 80% of leave voters did so because they wanted immigration controls (and thought they were getting them it seems)

Of the leave voters On Tv and on my FB, 100% thought that's what it was.

I want boris to tell them it's not happening..

[girlinacoma]

What's wrong with wanting immigration controls?

You do realise don't you that a considerable number of immigrants into this country are white and english speaking (not that it should matter).

So what makes you think that someone wanting immigration control is racist?

I don't care who comes to our country or where they come from or even what their intentions are when they get here.

I do want to know that we have the infrastructure and resources in place to cope with everyone though and I also want to know that controls are (or could be) put in place should our infrastructure become strained.

Who on earth wouldn't want that reassurance?

[JayDot500]

girl the issue at hand is that people who voted for tighter border controls are not likely to get it.

[Destinysdaughter]

And considering the amount of racism that has been shown to pp who are British but Brown skinned, turns out it wasn't just concerns about current levels of immigration, but a deep seated hatred of pp who aren't like them

[Helmetbymidnight]

You said that with a lot more patience than I would have jay

[allegretto]

I wanted remain and i dont think there is anything wrong with wanting immigration controls. The leave vote definitely won't get you immigration controls though that has already been established.

[noblegiraffe]

helmet
I'm afraid that Boris has been telling them that it is happening (no freedom of movement).
twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/747737590451814400

I wouldn't be surprised if he also told Britain First that the foreigners would be going home and England that they were through to the next round of the Euros.

[temporaryusername]

I think fewer leave voters would have turned out (too complicated). They needed a vague word like 'leave' or 'no' so it could be a focus for general rejection. Facts, detail, complexity, counterbalancing.... need not apply.

Some would still have voted leave as it would be a part solution for them.

I am still baffled as to why some leave voters feel a leave vote is in line with a rejection of immigrants from outside the EU. I mean, their fantasy that voting leave guaranteed fewer EU immigrants was one thing. I thought even leave voters realised that a rise in non EU immigrants was likely to result from Brexit. I thought even Farage and Boris had presented that as a positive. But now there is all this general racism being expressed.

The more some (some!) of these leave voters speak, the clearer it is that their problems really aren't caused by the EU or by immigration.

I am still giggling at the man who said on Channel four news last night, 'That is clearly a racist comment and it must be dealt with in a racist manner'.

[temporaryusername]

Ps not really baffled. I know why, I just think it is disgraceful and speaks to their refusal to grasp the reality or detail of the choice before them.

[Helmetbymidnight]

Boris is a duplicitous cunt.

(That gave me pleasure to write that).

[noblegiraffe]

He will tell people exactly what they want to hear, then do what he hell he likes. Something to look out for over the coming weeks.

God help us if he becomes PM

[fakenamefornow]

I don't necessarily think people who want immigration control are racists. In fact I do sympathise somewhat. If you can't get a job but see lots of Polish people moving into your community and finding work or you see your child who is struggling to read and getting little help in school but the children newly arrived and unable to speak English are getting 1 to 1 support, you might feel angry. Some people did have genuine concerns but if they complained they were just called racists. Nobody in mainstream politics listened to them and tried to address their needs, and now, this is the result.

If I were in their position I still wouldn't have voted leave though because I knew it wouldn't make a single bit of difference to free movement. The best we can hope for now is a deal on trade and free movement the same as we have now but with non of the voting right.

[Destinysdaughter]

When Boris became mayor, the first thing he did was to cancel the Respect concerts in London and then disband the domestic violence forum, which held police forces across London to account regarding how they dealt with DV cases. This is not a man who is pro minorities or women.God help us if he is PM

[RortyCrankle]

It is completely pointless for a Leaver to try to have a reasoned discussion with Remainers on here. All Remainers want to do is throw out insults and call us racist. I have explained on many threads that immigration was way down my list of reasons for voting but it appears that's too complicated for you to understand. Not forgetting the 'you are too thick to know what you are doing' taunts of course.

So I suggest you argue with each other and bore yourselves to death. I've stopped banging my head against a brick wall, seriously, none of you are worth the effort.

[allegretto]

Rorty - did anyone call you racist? It's a pretty simple question which you seem unable to answer.