Bank holiday confusion

[PickAPan]

Very boring but we've had a new way of submitting bank holiday leave introduced at work and it's like a riddle:

We have 2 'pots' of leave - one for bank holiday entitlement and one for annual leave entitlement. If you're not working the bank holiday, you put your leave in, that's fine. Bank holiday is paid at double time and for some days you also get a day in lieu. Previously you would work the day and request 1 day overtime on the system to make it double pay. If it was a day where you got a day in lieu also, you'd discuss this with your manager and book a day of flexi off. You would not put any holiday in for that day (relevant).

They have now said that if you ARE working the bank holiday, you must put in a days bank holiday and then claim 1 day overtime to make it double pay. The day off in lieu is still negotiated the same as before. Why are we putting in a days holiday for a day we are working? Surely this means we lose a days holiday entitlement? Or were we just getting a really good deal before and HR have realised their error?

Apologies if the answer is really obvious. We've all been thinking about it far too much and come up with a million different answers, so much so I don't know which way is up any more.

[Tommika]

It does sound a complex way of doing it.

This year we have started to add bank holidays to our leave, so for the majority of us who have bank holidays off it’s just the admin of showing it, whereas any shift workers etc who might work on the bank holiday get to account for their alternate bank holiday ‘properly’ instead of in lieu

The system differentiates between annual leave and bank holidays. So I have added two entitlements of my leave and 8 bank holidays, plus I have prebooked some leave and the bank holidays on their actual dates

If I was going to work on a bank holiday then I would leave it blank, claim overtime and book my alternate BH day when it’s due.

Your companies option of booking the BH, working it, claiming overtime and also booking an in lieu day sounds like they have half heartedly gone onto recording the bank holidays but continued the old process

[PickAPan]

Yes, I agree, it's completely muddled! I just can't work out why I would be putting in a bank holiday leave day (& therefore losing a days paid leave) for a day I'm working. Surely that means I'm no better off working a bank holiday anymore? I know I claim an additional days pay but by the same token I'm giving one back by booking the leave. In my mind that cancels each other out (although I have to admit that we've discussed it so much I'm not sure I'm thinking it through properly!).

[NewIdeasToday]

It sounds like your HR department have got it wrong. Why are you booking a day’s leave if you are actually working???

[Mumdiva99]

So....are you saying that you get 8 bank Holidays per year?
If you work bank holiday then you get double time plus a day in leiu?
If you don't work bank Holiday you get single pay.
I'm guessing you are hourly paid and not salaried.

Therefore to get any pay on bank holidau you have.to log the bank holiday....or your wages will be 0.
If you work you log it plus log the additional day - hence getting paid double.
If you don't work you still get paid hence having to log it or you would get nothing.

That makes sense to me....not sure if I explained it properly.

[Mumdiva99]

So....are you saying that you get 8 bank Holidays per year?
If you work bank holiday then you get double time plus a day in leiu?
If you don't work bank Holiday you get single pay.
I'm guessing you are hourly paid and not salaried.

Therefore to get any pay on bank holidau you have.to log the bank holiday....or your wages will be 0.
If you work you log it plus log the additional day - hence getting paid double.
If you don't work you still get paid hence having to log it or you would get nothing.

That makes sense to me....not sure if I explained it properly.

[PickAPan]

It's a salaried position. 8 days bank holiday a year. Bank holidays are double pay (& special ones also attract a day in lieu). So either:

You don't work, and put a days bank holiday leave in = get paid for the day but lose a days holiday.

Or, you work and put a days bank holiday leave in and claim for a days overtime = get double time but lose a days bank holiday, which to me cancels it out.

Does that help? I can't fathom why I'm putting in, and therefore losing, a days bank holiday leave on a day I'm working 🤷🏼‍♀️

[PickAPan]

It's a salaried position. 8 days bank holiday a year. Bank holidays are double pay (& special ones also attract a day in lieu). So either:

You don't work, and put a days bank holiday leave in = get paid for the day but lose a days holiday.

Or, you work and put a days bank holiday leave in and claim for a days overtime = get double time but lose a days bank holiday, which to me cancels it out.

Does that help? I can't fathom why I'm putting in, and therefore losing, a days bank holiday leave on a day I'm working 🤷🏼‍♀️

[Mumdiva99]

So....are you saying that you get 8 bank Holidays per year?
If you work bank holiday then you get double time plus a day in leiu?
If you don't work bank Holiday you get single pay.
I'm guessing you are hourly paid and not salaried.

Therefore to get any pay on bank holidau you have.to log the bank holiday....or your wages will be 0.
If you work you log it plus log the additional day - hence getting paid double.
If you don't work you still get paid hence having to log it or you would get nothing.

That makes sense to me....not sure if I explained it properly.

[Mumdiva99]

Sorry I wrote this earlier but it didn't think it posted correctly. Apologies.

I see you are salaried.

You have to put the BH in as you can't take a days BH leave at another time. You can't save them and use them for an extra week holiday. So you don't lose bh holiday by working.

[Mumdiva99]

The only odd bit is that HR make you, a salaried employee, log your own hours and log BH. That would normally be done by HR /payroll.

[Authenticcelestialmusic]

Do you still negotiate the day in lieu with your manager?

[Authenticcelestialmusic]

I mean the day of flexi?

[ArosGartref]

I bet everyone wants to work a bank holiday if you effectively get paid 4 days for one days work.

It sounds like they've realised they've given you an additional day in lieu.

[PickAPan]

No one wants to work the bank holiday - it's utter hell! We only get the day off in lieu if it's Christmas Day or Boxing Day, not for any of the others.

I do use my bank holiday days for other holidays as I don't work Mondays so I accrue some additional leave. I physically can't put these in on other bank hols because I don't work them.

Part timers have always had to put in their bank holiday leave, it's only since they've added the process in for full timers that this insanity has arisen. I do have a very generous leave entitlement due to years worked so I can't complain, but other's aren't so fortunate (& it doesn't make sense!).