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Dellyb1970 Wed 10-Dec-14 10:50:49

Hi all

After reading many comments on here and other social media it has become apparent many of us are unhappy that our children are not allowed to remove items of uniform when they see fit due to them being too hot.

Some schools allow it only in classrooms. Other schools outright deny them.

I have set up a petition for the government to give the child the right to dress appropriately when they see fit.

Could I please ask all concerned parents to sign it and share with your friends. We need a lot of signatures to get this discussed.

Many thanks

Adele

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/72783

Heels99 Wed 10-Dec-14 11:51:27

Fgs. Just speak to the school. This is not a national issue. There is no law saying kids can't take their jumpers off, what do you hope to achieve?

PatriciaHolm Wed 10-Dec-14 13:21:44

A petition? Really?

Honestly, it's a school issue, not a government one!

isthisunfair1967 Wed 10-Dec-14 13:24:18

Ok, please tell me what you mean by "appropriately as they see fit" because my 16 year old's view would be very different to mine.

It's a school rule. If you don't like it, take it up with the school. If you still don't like it, move them to a school where the rules around uniform are more to your liking.

It's not a national issue.

TalkinPeace Wed 10-Dec-14 13:51:52

OP
Have a biscuit

Heads already have discretion as Uniforms are not decided by central government.

At this time of year I'm more worried about hats, scarves and coats TBH

Dellyb1970 Wed 10-Dec-14 14:07:38

Not being a national issue is the whole point. ....
Do you realise any school can make up any rule and no one has any rights to back things up.
Before the employment at work act anyone in employment didn't have any rights either. The bill was put in place to protect people and their wellbeing. For children in school they have no rights and schools can dictate what rules they wish.
This may not seem appropriate at the moment however these issues have been discussed many times before and there are many schools who do not allow children to remove any part of their uniform.
So, put yourself in the situation where you would be in a uniform that includes jumper or tank top and blazer. Think about sitting in a non air conditioned room where windows could not open more than a few centimetres due to health and safety. These windows being very large and offer no protection from the sun.
Now bear in mind that even if temperatures outside were only in the 20's ... Temperatures inside could reach the 30's.
If you can't imagine having to work in those conditions try imagining sitting in your car with the windows up without the engine running your air conditioning. .. Do you get the idea??
So don't be negative and blatantly say it's not a government issue... Sometimes we need to move on and protect our children. I wouldn't leave myself, my kids or my dog in a hot car... Why should children be subject to similar conditions in school??

WorriedMutha Wed 10-Dec-14 14:11:52

Is this for real? Take it up with the school. You might be amazed at how much common sense there is out there.

isthisunfair1967 Wed 10-Dec-14 14:16:15

Can your child not just ask the teacher? And if they are refused, then you take it up with the school?

TalkinPeace Wed 10-Dec-14 14:16:38

Delly
Get a life.
Heads DO have discretion.
They DO use it sensibly
Would you want these rules to apply to private schools as well by the way?
Just that certain fee paying school uniforms are even more ridiculous.

Dellyb1970 Wed 10-Dec-14 14:24:25

Many schools insist full uniform is worn, AT ALL TIMES.

Yes heads have discretion. And there are many that DO NOT ALLOW UNIFORM TO BE REMOVED. ... SO NO IT IS NOT USED SENSIBLY.

So what then? Academies and private schools it appears do not have to governed by anyone in these circumstances.

isthisunfair1967 Wed 10-Dec-14 14:28:17

So? Remove your child from the school then, and find one that fits your uniform notions better.

Non-issue.

Dellyb1970 Wed 10-Dec-14 14:33:42

I would like to point out that I have done this to protect children from schools around this country.

The school my boys go to are allowed to remove jumpers in classrooms.

The reason for this is following a survey I have done and after listening to many parents there are many many schools who do not allow removal of any piece of uniform at any time.

Personally I find that attitude in the dark ages and feel strongly that there is lack of duty of care towards these children.

I for one would not be happy to be made to work like that and I certainly wouldn't want my children to either. And yes, if my child suffered terribly as a result removable would be the first thing I would do.

Many parents have spoken to me regarding issues with severe skin problems and headaches as a direct result of overheating and not being given the opportunity to cool down.

TalkinPeace Wed 10-Dec-14 14:35:39

Tell you what. Home educate. Job done.

LIZS Wed 10-Dec-14 14:37:20

many parents , really ? Sure there aren't more general concerns within our education system about which you could preoccupy yourself campaigning. dc have never complained about overheating !

Hakluyt Wed 10-Dec-14 14:38:30

Are you practising your sad faces for the Daily Mail? grin

Waitingonasunnyday Wed 10-Dec-14 14:40:53

I wish my children kept their fecking sweatshirts on, its a constant merry go round of lost property, reappearing clothes, missing clothes, etc, etc.

AuntieStella Wed 10-Dec-14 14:42:43

How many are 'many'?

I vaguely remember a thread about this here this summer, but don't remember 'many' schools where all clothing had to be worn all the time. It's a matter for heads and governors, so best solved locally.

If the government is going to do anything about school uniform, the thing I'd like to see is sanctions applied to schools which breach the guidelines on affordability and number of suppliers.

arlagirl Wed 10-Dec-14 14:43:44

Well this has brightened my day!!
Talk about overreaction.

magpieginglebells Wed 10-Dec-14 14:46:31

Come on people. Think of the children!

iseenodust Wed 10-Dec-14 14:48:59

^^I have done this to protect children from schools around this country.

Beyond the pale.

Heels99 Wed 10-Dec-14 15:17:01

And the ops school is not one of the schools she mentions!
No school in the land would make children wear a jumper if it was thirty degrees.

Blu Wed 10-Dec-14 23:04:53

I would be happy to see school uniform abolished altogether.
But they would need to wear something in it's place. Granted.

MidniteScribbler Thu 11-Dec-14 22:06:19

Don't ever move to Australia OP. If we didn't teach on 30 degree days we'd hardly ever have a class lol.

Icimoi Thu 11-Dec-14 23:48:21

You might be amazed at how much common sense there is out there.

Frankly, I'm amazed at how much common sense is lacking. There are schools all over the country where they obsess about making pupils look smart regardless of how uncomfortable it is. There are indeed schools which make pupils wear jumpers or blazers when temperatures hit 30 degrees; also schools that make pupils wear them even when they know that they have sensory difficulties which render this particularly uncomfortable.

I agree that uniform should either be abolished or should by law offer much more variation and comfort. It is utterly ludicrous when schools send hundreds of pupils home because they're not wearing the right shoes or something: their function is to teach, not to obsess about what pupils wear. The ones that do it try to justify it by claiming some sort of correlation with results - which is manifestly nonsense. At one end of the scale there are a number of failing schools where uniform is strictly enforced; at the other, there is St Paul's Girls' School where they wear no uniform at all and regularly come in the top 5 when it comes to GCSE and A Level results.

EdithWeston Fri 12-Dec-14 06:53:00

I think SPGS's results are more likely to come from its selective entry and the wider school standards/attitude, than from specifically its dress code.

For any school it's a reflection of school ethos, not a clothes obsession.

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