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JollyGiraffe Wed 06-Dec-17 13:56:24

WHY has this awful word made its way over here from?!

Past participle of 'to get' is 'got'!!! angry

Madbengalmum Wed 06-Dec-17 13:57:18

Yanbu, horrid Americanism

scurryfunge Wed 06-Dec-17 13:58:28

It's Middle English. They've given it back.

meatyLoaf Wed 06-Dec-17 14:00:45

I like it.

I study language not prescribe it and it makes so much more sense than get, got, got.

It's from Old English but Scurry tried to make a good point.

myrtleWilson Wed 06-Dec-17 14:00:54

The British English speakers have gotten it back from their American counterparts - it was originally Middle English as scurry points out.

HamishBamish Wed 06-Dec-17 14:04:59

YANBU. I don’t care where it originated s from, I hate it.

ArbitraryName Wed 06-Dec-17 14:07:22

Not all the dwellers in the British isles gave upon gotten when the English did.

Iprefercoffeetotea Wed 06-Dec-17 14:11:17

I don't like it either.

Another Americanism I don't like (and i don't think it was a UK English thing before) is saying you are excited FOR something instead of ABOUT it.

Yesterday I heard Kirstie on her Homemade Home say she was bonkers FOR something too. No, you're bonkers about it

But I'm fighting a losing battle. It has taken hold.

Cavender Wed 06-Dec-17 14:13:45

As pp have said, it’s an archaic form of speech list to British English but preserved in American English.

It’s similar to Fall which was superseded by Autumn in British English but predates it, and various American spellings which are older than the British spellings.

Why “horrid Americanisms”? What’s horrid about it?

Language changes all the time.

Particularly English which has always borrowed from other languages.

Shirt came over with the Vikings, Beef is French, Shampoo derived from Hindi, admiral has an Arabic route, boss comes from Dutch etc etc etc

We happily borrow from all sorts of languages every day. What’s different about American usage?

hmm

RavingRoo Wed 06-Dec-17 14:13:54

Gotten has always been said quite a lot up north.

MaroonPencil Wed 06-Dec-17 14:14:08

i read fanfiction and until now it has always been a failsafe way of identifying a writer as not British - they may have done all their research about London tube lines and British slang, but then they say something like ""I can only wonder what Mother's gotten me this year," Draco drawled" and you think "hang on".

RavingRoo Wed 06-Dec-17 14:15:12

If you read fanfiction you really aren’t in a position to judge anyone else grin

Hillarious Wed 06-Dec-17 14:15:12

Americanisms can be awful . . . but this isn't one.

NotACleverName Wed 06-Dec-17 14:16:15

Oh is it time for the weekly bash the usage of Americanisms thread?

MaroonPencil Wed 06-Dec-17 14:19:23

RavingRoo oooooh! grin

ALLthedinosaurs Wed 06-Dec-17 14:25:18

Can I ask what makes Americanisms "horrid" and "awful" when all the other borrowed words that have integrated into modern colloquial usage are fine? hmm

If you don't like it, don't use it, but YABU to complain about others' use of it.

HuskyMcClusky Wed 06-Dec-17 14:28:29

Are you pissed about it, OP?

<runs>

Rebeccaslicker Wed 06-Dec-17 14:29:16

It goes with "can I get".

"Can I get a coffee please?"

No. You may order a coffee or you may have a coffee...!

Rebeccaslicker Wed 06-Dec-17 14:30:01

I've often wondered about fanfic. What's the point? Why not just write your own original stuff?!

SuperSeriousPlanetaryHealer Wed 06-Dec-17 14:31:27

"Can I get" is different. It upsets me because there is no "please" and therefore is Officially Rude.

I've never gotten pissed and someone saying "can I get... please?" fgrin

Whywonttheyletmeusemyusername Wed 06-Dec-17 14:31:28

Oh yanbu. ...I hate it. And always pull my kids up for using it

meatyLoaf Wed 06-Dec-17 14:32:03

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Flippetydip Wed 06-Dec-17 14:34:45

YANBU. It's on a par with "Can I get a skinny-latte?" Well unless you're going to go round to the other side of the counter and actually get it, no you can't.

Gotten I don't hear so much but I do actively dislike.

My worst by far which is not an "Americanism" but has passed into common parlance, is invite as a noun. It's makes my teeth itch every time I see it - which is quite often.

Cavender Wed 06-Dec-17 15:43:45

No response OP?

ArbitraryName Wed 06-Dec-17 16:02:34

TBH, the word ‘horrid’ makes everyone sound like they’ve been imported from an Enid blyton novel.

I used gotten regularly but cannot imagine ever saying horrid.

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