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to think Prince Harry may have married in secret? <sleb/royal twaddle>

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smthngStupid · 15/08/2017 00:35

Just a hunch - do you think it's likely or even possible??

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Butterymuffin · 15/08/2017 00:36

No. He may act daft at times but he knows there'd be an uproar.

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scrabbler3 · 15/08/2017 00:38

Does he need the Queen's permission? I recall that Charles/Camilla and William/Kate did, but maybe that is because they're in the direct line.

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Icantreachthepretzels · 15/08/2017 00:39

As 5th in line to the throne he would have to ask the Queen's permission before he did so. Any secret marriage would be invalid and annulled, and he probably wouldn't be allowed to marry the same bride if he then went through proper channels. If he went to the Queen to formally ask permission ... I doubt they would have kept it secret.

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Icantreachthepretzels · 15/08/2017 00:46

based on your post though, I just googled, and apparently the rumours that they are about to get engaged are at an all time high (not necessarily true, though, but it could be). I guess he's perfectly entitled to ask who he wants - and once he has the Queen can hardly say no - but no way will it be secret!

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GreenTulips · 15/08/2017 00:49

No! They have to time these things!
We need more royal tat

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lalalalyra · 15/08/2017 00:59

With the changes to the marriage act in 2014 or 2015 his marriage, if he married without consent, wouldn't be invalid or illegal. He would just no longer be in the line of succession. The first 6 people in the line of succession need permission Which is why Charlotte's birth and the changes sparked so many marriage rumours for Princess Beatrice, as she no longer needed Granny's permission.

Harry can legally do what he likes, but if he wants to keep his place in the line of succession then he has to follow the rules.

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kmc1111 · 15/08/2017 01:02

Not a chance, unless he's trying to get kicked out of the line of succession. Which seems doubtful, since as much as he complains about having to work occasionally he has no problem enjoying at all the many benefits that come with his position.

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CoughLaughFart · 15/08/2017 01:02

Why would you think this?

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HeartburnCentral · 15/08/2017 01:03

No chance and I doubt he'll never be allowed to marry her. They don't mind him messing around but will have a strict criteria on the woman he'll get to marry.

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SerfTerf · 15/08/2017 01:04

Does he need the Queen's permission? I recall that Charles/Camilla and William/Kate did, but maybe that is because they're in the direct line.

Even Ernst of Hanover did a few years ago when he married one of the Monaco royals (not a first marriage for either party).

Something like all direct descendants of one of the King Georges need it.

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Icantreachthepretzels · 15/08/2017 01:05

I didn't know that. Can't see him bowing out of the line of succession, seems even less likely than if he would just get a slap on the wrist and told to find another wife, like George IV.

Would he have to give up all his Royal titles, apartments in palaces and any income he is granted through the Royal family? Really can't see that happening

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smthngStupid · 15/08/2017 01:07

But couldn't he have conceivably got the Queen's permission and yet still be allowed to go ahead?

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Icantreachthepretzels · 15/08/2017 01:11

If he already got the Queen's approval then it would have been announced - why would Buckingham Palace keep it a secret? Its more likely that he will propose before seeking official approval, but once it's official, it isn't really up to him on whether it remains a secret. And even if he requested that it be kept a secret (for reasons Hmm ) and the Palace agreed ...no way the news wouldn't leak.

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SerfTerf · 15/08/2017 01:11

I don't he's as unconventional as all that.

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PyongyangKipperbang · 15/08/2017 01:13

I cant see the Queen saying no tbh. We all saw the car crashes that happened with her sister and her kids being pushed away from who they wanted to be with and into marriages that were "approved". One would hope that she has learned her lesson from that.

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smthngStupid · 15/08/2017 01:14

Reasons why he might want it kept secret - privacy? She might want the same?

Neither are a particularly flashy couple, and he is fifth in line to the throne so surely the wedding won't need to have as much pomp and circumstance as William's.

I'm guessing it wouldn't be a public holiday for starters...

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CoughLaughFart · 15/08/2017 01:22

This hasn't happened and won't happen.

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SerfTerf · 15/08/2017 01:23

Is it if even possible for consent to be given secretly? It's a Privy Council matter apparently and the consent has to be included in the marriage licence.

Prince Michael of Kent married abroad didn't he (not secretly)? How was that done?

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Icantreachthepretzels · 15/08/2017 01:26

Surely he would check it was going to be approved, unofficially, before he went to the hassle of proposing and then getting official approval. Its not like he doesn't know the Queen, he knows whether she approves of his relationship or not.

Either there is already tacit approval in the family and this will go ahead or he is already aware that, because she is divorced, they won't be approved and that this isn't really going anywhere.

has she appeared naked in any of her shows? They don't like that. But on the other hand - its 2017 and this is an archaic ritual that has to be done but doesn't really mean anything anymore. I certainly don't think the royal family would dare openly disapprove, their popularity would plummet.

he is fifth in line to the throne so surely the wedding won't need to have as much pomp and circumstance as William's.

Both Anne's and Andrew's weddings were televised. If they're lives aren't being televised for the masses, what's the point of them? I think the privacy ship has sailed and they sort of have to accept that, Harry might want privacy, doesn't mean the Palace will allow it.

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Icantreachthepretzels · 15/08/2017 01:34

Prince Michael of Kent married abroad didn't he (not secretly)? How was that done?

He lost his place in the line of succession for marrying a Catholic, presumably he knew this would happen prior to the wedding, so marrying abroad/ having approval wasn't an issue. He was reinstated in 2013 when the rules changed so royals could now marry Catholics, but by then he was only 45th in line to the throne.

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MrsToddsShortcut · 15/08/2017 01:36

But they haven't been together that long, really. For most ordinary couples, a year isn't a massive amount and often not long enough to know if you want to spend the rest of your life together. Especially as being a royal would mean immense pressure to get it 'right'.

I'm sure they're happy but this whole wedding shenanigans is entirely led by the press. What is this obsession with media types trying to marry off famous people within weeks of them meeting?

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Rainbunny · 15/08/2017 01:37

It sounds highly unlikely. I would hope that Miss Markle wouldn't be foolish enough to agree given the fuss it would cause with her future in-laws. Secondly, he may have a requirement to ask permission but in reality do you imagine that the queen would really say no?

On what basis? That she's foreign, divorced, a few years older than him, that she's an actress? Many of these things might be less than desirable for the queen but realistically given our modern society, she can't reasonably hold these things against her to refuse permission and Harry doesn't seem like someone who would care if it what was it wanted.

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Rainbunny · 15/08/2017 01:40

I will add this. I know nothing about Meghan Markle and I don't know if she is horrible or nice but she does seem much tougher and smarter than Diana and Fergie and that should stand her in better stead joining that family!

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Icantreachthepretzels · 15/08/2017 01:48

But they haven't been together that long, really. For most ordinary couples, a year isn't a massive amount and often not long enough to know if you want to spend the rest of your life together.

plus its been a long distance relationship - its not like they've spent every day of the past year together. But in the papers Harry is presented as the Jennifer Aniston of the Royal world, lonely and desperate for a baby. If there's any truth in that (doubt it) he may jump into a quick marriage.

Secondly, he may have a requirement to ask permission but in reality do you imagine that the queen would really say no?
If he asks, she'll say 'yes' - what else can she do? But that doesn't mean that the palace aren't sending out strong disapproving vibes making it clear that he better not ask. I'm not saying that they are doing that, I'm sure if he's happy, they're happy - but I imagine that's how they would do it, preempt the question so that they never have to answer it.

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Lolabridges · 15/08/2017 01:59

It will all be timed to coincide with the Brexit Disaster, and cover it up.

Great day to break bad news and all that. Timed to perfection. Just wait and see.

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