Safe spaces for “fat-identified” people?

[AssignedMentalAtBirth]

No, I'm not BU for thinking that there are people out there giggling about how far they can take identity politics

www.campusreform.org/?ID=9577

[StillDrivingMeBonkers]

Safe spaces for overweight LGBT persons who are over weight.~
~Your tread title is disingenuous and goady.

[MumIsRunningAMarathon]

Discussion group?? About what?

[AssignedMentalAtBirth]

No it's not. The whole concept is ludicrous. And do fuck off with the 'goady'. That's just the latest way to tell people you disagree with to STFU

[StillDrivingMeBonkers]

You are goady. Run out of fat people fun threads to poke fun at? find the Slimming World Forum, you could have hours of fun.

[PigletWasPoohsFriend]

YABU

HTH

[NormaDesmondsEyebrows]

You are so NBU.

It's wanky and tedious.

I identify as a skinny billionaire by the way.

[WingsofNylon]

What's the big deal? It is an LBGTQ centre. One of the support groups they have is for overweight members. No diffrent to a womens centre having the same support group.

[user7841794168]

Yes, you are goady. End of discussion.

[DancingLedge]

Why are you calling it a "safe space" ?
It's actually a discussion group, open to people who are big, and identify as LBQGTI.

I'm not in those groups, nor yet a student, so , unsurprisingly, I don't know what the motivation is. I could hazard a couple of guesses- there are parts of the gay community that are incredibly body conscious, so it might be difficult if you're outside that 'norm': also having not one but two aspects of you that some unpleasant people like to sneer about, must be tough going.

But those are just guesses- and , you know what, if people have a need to have a discussion group about something that concerns them, and not me, why I would ever have an opinion about that is beyond me.
Your OP sounds a little bit like, ' hey, I don't understand this, so it must be stupid'.

[Xeneth88]

You get more ridiculous with each thread OP.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

YANBU.

The OP is not taking the piss out of fat people, they are taking the piss about the "identifying as'

Kind of like the course on transracialism.

"Thanks to the work and lives of transgender people, we now have room to understand our bodies in radically unbounded ways. Technological advances in surgery, hormonal therapy, psychiatry, cultural warfare, are catching up to the transgender presence: the gendered body is not necessarily that with which we were born, but one that can be crafted to match the real body of our psyche, our dreams. However, one's racial self remains tethered to biology. Blackness, Whiteness, Asianness, Latinness, the whole rainbow of racial identification, is still construed as biologically inescapable and inevitable. To speak of "transracialism" is to evoke self-delusion and community betrayal. But this cultural reaction is contrary to the everyday experience that actually finds racial identification as a process that is always transracial: declaring ourselves racially, we all cross restricted zones in becoming ourselves. In this course, we will use the discourse of transgenderism to build an alternate vocabulary of race."

www.risd.edu/academics/literary-arts-studies/courses/

[Papafran]

What's so funny about it? I don't get it. They can have whatever discussion group they want- it has very little to do with anyone else and is not harming anyone else.

[Datun]

Of course it's fine for an LGBT group to have a section for people who are overweight to talk about any issues they may encounter.

What's not fine is to call it an identity. You couldn't identify as overweight, if you are slender. Ffs.

Calling it an identity means that anyone can join as long as they identify as something they're not.

[VladmirsPoutine]

Tbh I think MN isn't the bastion of great and open debate is wants to be. There are still many discussions that can't be sensibly had because someone or other will come along and call goadyism. That said, I think Reddit is perhaps too far on the other side of that spectrum but at least people can talk about their unsavoury opinions without being deleted.

Anyway OP - I don't know whether or not YABU. I don't personally give that much of shit about identity politics - I think the concept in and of itself has gone too far and often found most pervasive in corners of society with not much else to do in life.

[Notevilstepmother]

Wow, fat people want to have somewhere to talk without goady people. Can't think why?

[PencilsInSpace]

It's not for overweight members, it's for members who identify as fat. I'm all for support groups for different people facing different issues. It's the turning of everything into an 'identity' that I'm about.

Will they let people with anorexia join if they identify as fat?

[Mumof56]

YANBU

[AssignedMentalAtBirth]

Thanks Itsall. Yes, it's about 'identifying' as being fat. Not being fat itself. I'm not posting about Slimming World or Weight Watchers. I'm not going over to the weight loss threads and calling them fat bastards. I'm talking about the ridiculousness of 'identifying' as fat in relation to 'identity politics' being ridiculous. And presumably anorexics would fit right in to such a group.

Beautifully constructed argument btw zen

[Datun]

I honestly don't understand it. Unless they are genuinely equating identifying as something as actually being that thing.

Are they really going to welcome thin people on the basis that they identify as overweight?

Or will there be a lightbulb moment where they suddenly realise you can't identify as something you're not.

[MrsOverTheRoad]

'fat identified'

Like someone who was fat could identify as thin? Or someone who was thin could decide to identify as fat?

[AssignedMentalAtBirth]

I wonder if I can identify as beautiful and enter Miss UK?

P.S. I know the haters will tell me I'm not a Miss, that I'm over 40 and overweight and rather ordinary looking. Fucking TERFs

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

It is like the Emperors new clothes...

Everyone would be far too polite and inclusive and non biologically essentialist to point out that someone wasn't actually fat.

[VestalVirgin]

What's not fine is to call it an identity. You couldn't identify as overweight, if you are slender.

Are you telling me I cannot be transfat?

Transphobe!

[VestalVirgin]

It is the logical conclusion of transgenderism. Both sex and weight are biological realities. Weight is even more subjective and on a spectrum than sex, so if you accept gender identities, you have to also accept weight identities.