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To wonder what's the real reason Cameron wants us to stay in the EU?

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FlossiesFurCoat Tue 14-Jun-16 10:49:01

Or is it genuinely for the reasons her gives?

Notbigandnotclever Tue 14-Jun-16 10:50:04

Because if we don't it's very likely he will go down in history as the man who gave our country a vote which sent us spiralling into a recession whilst we were still scraping our way out of the last one?

YourPerception Tue 14-Jun-16 10:50:16

Dc is now transgender who knew?

Laiste Tue 14-Jun-16 10:51:42

Money.

I don't know how exactly but i'd bet if you could get right down to it that's what the answer would be. More money for him.

It's what it all boils down to in the end with most of them i believe.

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FlossiesFurCoat Tue 14-Jun-16 10:53:04

*He gives

vickibee Tue 14-Jun-16 10:58:43

to feather his own nest and that of his mates.

lavenderdoilly Tue 14-Jun-16 11:01:43

Because he was cornered into it by UKIP wannabees in his party and probably got a majority at the last GE on the strength of the promise (as well as poor opposition ). He doesn't have the guts to dump Gove et al from the Cabinet. And if Leave wins he'll go down in history as the man who screwed up the economy because he was too weak. If he's lucky, he may also go down in history as the man who split the union with Scotland. I'm for Remain in spite of him not because of him

EdmundCleverClogs Tue 14-Jun-16 11:02:18

Because it's the sensible thing to do?

Who knows. The whole thing is a farce to be honest.

UnGoogleable Tue 14-Jun-16 11:03:29

For the same reason Boris wants to leave - to further their own careers.

Cameron - it would reflect badly on him if he was responsible for the shitstorm if we left. The only reason he called the referendum was because he said he would, he never thought there would be any chance we'd actually vote to leave.

Boris - picked the opposite of whatever Cameron did, to challenge him for the leadership.

LeaveTheRoundAbout Tue 14-Jun-16 11:04:00

It is because their current budgetary plans are made on migration continuing at the same level.

However, if the electorate instruct them that we wish to leave the EU they will have to adapt, and they will- as will BoE to support volatility.

AbitSceptical Tue 14-Jun-16 11:06:35

Because it is a better option than leaving?

He is an idiot for calling the referendum in the first place, pandering to the right of his party and risking all our futures for his own political survival.

I'm also for Remain. There are a load of problems with the EU but leaving won't solve them and will just make more different problems.

wasonthelist Tue 14-Jun-16 11:29:50

I think he sincerely believes most of what he cites as reasons to remain, which is more than can be said for what he's been saying about Turkish accession to the EU for example.

If recent polls are anything to go by (and I grant they often aren't), he and Gordo and the others might do better to just shut up. It seems the more they tell us what's good for us, the more people seem to tell the pollsters they'll be voting leave.

wasonthelist Tue 14-Jun-16 11:44:09

In purely political terms, it's hard to see why he called the referendum. It was a manifesto pledge, but he's broken plenty of those. When Harold Wilson called the 1975 referendum it was because of the warring factions in his party (over EEC membership as it then was) making it hard to govern. Perhaps Cameron feels he's going to head off the challenge from UKIP and some factions of his party - but as he says he won't seek another term as PM he's only doing that to pass it on to the next leader.

icanteven Tue 14-Jun-16 11:46:39

Umm... common sense?

He showed a breathtaking lack of judgement in allowing this referendum to happen, but there isn't a single good reason to leave.

Turkey is no more going to join the EU than Russia is, at least in the foreseeable future. In the highly unlikely even that they straighten out their human rights issues and get rid of Erdogan at some point, they might have a better case, but it's not going to happen any time soon. In the meantime, they're taking in more Syrian refugees than anybody else (pushing 3 million), so they deserve huge support for that, just not EU membership.

Ledeluge Tue 14-Jun-16 11:50:29

Because it's better for the country to work in partnership with our European neighbours than to try to go it alone?

wasonthelist Tue 14-Jun-16 12:19:40

I love it how many remainers are just using this as a chance to restate their remain mantra rather than consider the OP's actual question about Cameron's stated reasons.

Andcake Tue 14-Jun-16 12:21:25

Because leave is like turkeys voting for Christmas ...we will be back in recession. He should have never let the referendum happen. I don't like him he is weak but anyone who wants the best for Britain can only vote remain. Yes immigration needs sorting out but voting to leave just because of that will lead to disaster. All these rich baby boomers are not thinking of the future for their Dc and gc who will have to live with the consequences. Cameron wants to be leader he wants to be liked he has his hatchet men do all the tough stuff ruining education and the nhs😪

wasonthelist Tue 14-Jun-16 12:22:11

Turkey is no more going to join the EU than Russia is, at least in the foreseeable future. In the highly unlikely even that they straighten out their human rights issues and get rid of Erdogan at some point, they might have a better case, but it's not going to happen any time soon. In the meantime, they're taking in more Syrian refugees than anybody else (pushing 3 million), so they deserve huge support for that, just not EU membership.

That's all fine, and Cameron's pefectly reasonable line at present. It doesn't align with some of his past pronouncements, is all (and of course he's far from alone in that Boris has similar form in the opposite direction).

ChicRock Tue 14-Jun-16 12:23:52

Because there's a job in there somewhere for him once he's no longer PM.

t4gnut Tue 14-Jun-16 12:25:36

Earliest estimate of turkey sorting themselves out to meet EU requirements at the moment is 2035.

Anyone voting leave is a certified idiot - the leave campaign themselves conservatively estimate a drop in domestic income of 3% - or around 7 or so times the amount we fund the EU by. Imbeciles.

wasonthelist Tue 14-Jun-16 12:28:36

Anyone voting leave is a certified idiot

Good to know reasoned debate has died.

PastoralCare Tue 14-Jun-16 12:29:54

Most people don't spend time getting informed about a topic.

I can't believe that there are still people (specially millennials) who say they are uninformed about the issue. Have they heard of the internet? How about starting by reading the different treaties of the union? How about the moreorless bbc special on EU facts and fiction?

It's no wonder that both camps resort to simple scare tactics if people can't be bothered.

lavenderdoilly Tue 14-Jun-16 12:30:30

Was. I answered op's question. But use posts as you wish.

museumum Tue 14-Jun-16 12:30:50

Because if we do leave the process will be very traumatic and nobody in their right mind would want to be prime minister for that.

mollie123 Tue 14-Jun-16 12:33:12

I am sure 'idiot' and 'imbecile' are unacceptable words to use because someone happens to disagree with you
was exactly reasonable debate has died and we are left with the repetitive rants hmm

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