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To be Happy I do not have to worry about Christmas...Because I married jewish?

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Chickensoupyum Mon 23-Sep-13 13:23:58

That's all really grin

TheSporkforeatingkyriarchy Wed 25-Sep-13 09:22:33


TheSporkforeatingkyriarchy Wed 25-Sep-13 09:22:14

There are dozens of ways to enjoy and [[ celebrate in the winter without Christmas]]. I mean seriously, New Years is just a week later and even in many Christian cultures is a far bigger celebration, the mega focused Xmas celebration is a very Anglo-thing.

I know people love it, but the concept that those of us who don't enjoy it and/or don't do it have nothing to look forward to or enjoy or have no magical times in our year is quite a frustration. Most others have several and spread the joy throughout the year.

AdventureTed Tue 24-Sep-13 22:42:40

I love Christmas, and my family do too. It is a magical time of the year.

DENMAN03 Tue 24-Sep-13 21:58:32

Christmas is a fantastic time in my family! We all look forward to it and celebrate in a very traditional way, with presents, food and great family time. I love it and would hate to have to go through the whole of winter without anything to look forward to. It brings us all together and is very special, even though I am now in my 40's! The magic has never really gone.

TigOldBitties Tue 24-Sep-13 21:58:15

Sonlypuppyfat, it's a bit of a combination, but lots of these rules depend on the level of observance in the family and each individual families habits.

From the very observant to my family, who are hardly observant at all, nearly every family I know has slightly little ways of doing things. Most people just learn it as they go along.

sonlypuppyfat Tue 24-Sep-13 21:47:57

It all seems so complicated do you just grow up knowing what to do, I sound really dim don't I. Do you have lessons in what to do, is it more your faith that you do it or its more a tradition?

twistyfeet Tue 24-Sep-13 21:44:55

sadly no

sonlypuppyfat Tue 24-Sep-13 21:08:20

I bet you have massive kitchens!

twistyfeet Tue 24-Sep-13 20:23:14

oh, in traditional homes its 4 sets. You would have a set for dairy and a set for meat dishes and never the twain shall meet.
Then, because those dishes have been in contact with chametz (leavened foods) they are not considered 'kosher for passover' so observant jews would have a meat and dairy set for passover as well. We dont eat meat so dont have to worry about mixing meat and dairy things but many friends have labelled cupboards and drawers.

And Matzoh's make superb frisbies wink

HarderToKidnap Tue 24-Sep-13 20:00:39

Oh yes, matzos! Wouldn't happen in here because DH would die before he allowed an uneaten matzo to leave the room.

sonlypuppyfat Tue 24-Sep-13 19:58:06

Sorry if I sound stupid but what is the reasoning behind the two sets of crockery

twistyfeet Tue 24-Sep-13 19:20:42

Most people just have a different set of plates.saucepans/utensils etc for pesach. Not fridges and cookers. Those you make kosher for passover which requires cleaning the entire kitchen to within an inch of its life to make sure not a molecule of chametz is left. Because if you miss a single crumb you can be sure someone will spot it!
Plus the rest of the house.
I have saved kosher for passover matzoh. It lasts for all eternity because not even mice will eat it grin

HomeHelpMeGawd Tue 24-Sep-13 17:58:36

Talking of Jews and Chinese food, does anyone remember a restaurant called Cohen and Wong? 'twas in central London, and we went there annually when I was a kid. An extraordinary place!

HarderToKidnap Tue 24-Sep-13 14:48:37

You swap the kitchen over because there might be some chametz left, in the fridge or cooker or whatever. I've only known very observant Jews to do it though. I must admit I'm at a loss to think what the leftover food might be...

Fifilosttheplot Tue 24-Sep-13 14:36:26

Christmas is nothing compared to a Seder for 30 people where you've had to clean the house from top to bottom, swap your entire kitchen over and had a last minute trip to ikea as you only have 26 glasses and your sieve has gone missing and a mouse decided to move in to the plastic box that was full of leftover food from last year while it was stored in the loft.

Ahem..I have a question? why do you have to swap the kitchen over and eat last year's food? Wont it have gone a bit mouldy?

twistyfeet Tue 24-Sep-13 14:23:02

you know what I want. Someone to come clean the house of chametz before passover. (and then cook)

MsFanackerPants Tue 24-Sep-13 14:22:30

DP is Jewish, I am not. We do Seder, Rosh Hashanah etc with his family and Christmas and Easter with my family. I make better latkes than he does (and a kugel which is so giid I am now craving it and an amazing honey cake for Rosh hashanah). I did the first night of Hanukkah once but cooked Sephardi food to avoid comparison to aunties and grandmas! It saves the annual debate on which side of the family to visit. Our first baby is due during Hanukkah which I think is lovely and will bring him/her up to acknowledge both sides his/her heritage. We have a hanukkiah and a tree and a tree, a driedl and stockings. We are also both atheists so it is more about good food, family and cultural heritage for us. I like the variety.

TigOldBitties Tue 24-Sep-13 13:58:00

Also I meant to say that I think they were really the only restaurants open that weren't doing Christmas dinner as well.

My mother would not have seen been seen dead in a restaurant eating Christmas dinner. I don't know if that was even available back then, was not something that would have been on my radar, but people do go out for their Christmas dinner now. The pubs used to be open but that's where my mum and dad went to escape from us, and we wouldn't have been allowed in anyway I don't think.

SamG76 Tue 24-Sep-13 13:57:37

Coraltoes - I don't think there was any intention to offend. There's a old joke about about a Jewish couple who convert to Christianity. A bit later the husband tells his wife that he thinks they've made a mistake, and they ought to go back to being Jewish. "Are you mad?", she screams, "at least wait until after Passover!"

TigOldBitties Tue 24-Sep-13 13:52:43

Well we certainly weren't middle class although as a family we're not particularly devout so that probably had an influence. Really it was the only time we used to go to a restaurant. Maybe if we hadn't lived so close to Chinatown it would have been different but nope the Chinese was definitely popular with our family and friends.

I do remember there always being the no pork no prawns discussion every year which was always fun. Especially considering the way in which my mother attacks M&S prawn sandwiches like they're going out of fashion.

My friends that live in NYC tell me they got to a kosher Chinese so think its much more of a thing over there.

TheSporkforeatingkyriarchy Tue 24-Sep-13 13:52:35

That's pretty much the origins Fair, it's spread from what is now California (where the Chinese originally emigrated to and were the main builder of infrastructure in that area) and due to discriminatory laws the two groups were often pushed to live near each other away from the elite. They were also both groups that were early into owning entertainment houses and cinemas (which is why the tradition in many areas of the States is to go to the movies and eat Chinese on the 25th). I did it with friends when I still lived in the States, miss it a bit when I moved over here but we just do tend to do a movie day at our house to ignore the bad TV grin.

FairPhyllis Tue 24-Sep-13 13:27:24

Tig Ahhhh I feel vindicated now. I wasn't sure if the Chinese/Jewish Christmas might be a specific phenomenon limited to middle-class Jewish New Yorkers/New Jerseyites.

The origins of it were explained to me thus: neither Jewish nor Chinese people are particularly fussed about Christmas on the whole. There are a lot of Chinese restaurants, which nobody else wants to go to on Christmas Day. Nobody Jewish wants to cook for yet another festival. Thus there is a mutually beneficial business opportunity, and as long as you don't order pork rolls you can kid yourself the food is kosher.

FuckyNell Tue 24-Sep-13 13:23:34

Toda grin

FantasticDay Tue 24-Sep-13 13:17:56

Now, my (agnostic) DH and me (Unitarian Christian) and kids (one of each) really look forward to Christmas hosted by Moslem (convert) DBil and Moslem (lifelong) Dsis and their (Moslem) kids. They really push the boat out. Lunch with all the trimmings, games, deccies. It's boss!

TigOldBitties Tue 24-Sep-13 13:13:06

And FuckyNell, Seder is the start of the Passover/Pesach festival, you have a special dinner 'The Seder Table' and you're meant to, as a family do the story of exodus.

Its much quicker for you just to read this or google yourself to death.

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