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Feminism: Sex & gender discussions

Iceland Conversion Therapy Bill: Important Changes Made

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DerekFaker · 08/06/2023 18:31

"We did it! The Conversion therapy ban bill failed and has been dropped, in Iceland.
The Justice Department's Criminal justice committee agree with my organisations @samtokin22 legal points and effectively did a "KILL BILL"
I am over the moon!
WE DID IT!"

https://twitter.com/justgayice/status/1666839304578949122?t=lQbhtertR0omIczPTZ3wYQ&s=19

https://frettin.is/2023/06/08/refsirettarnefnd-tekur-undir-umsogn-samtakanna-22-baelingarmedferdarfrumvarpid-fallid-um-sjalft-sig/?fbclid=IwAR2684_B679uYvAA_qzSPnU8227nOfwJ1WZ3ltyu59aQHEKXPB4-OB_Q0e4

Refsiréttarnefnd tekur undir umsögn Samtakanna 22 – bælingarmeðferðarfrumvarpið fallið um sjálft sig

Frumvarp Hönnu-Katrínar Friðriksson varðandi breytingar á almennum hegningarlögum, svokallað bælingarmeðferðarfrumvarp, er fallið um sjálft sig eftir að hafa fengið náðarhöggið frá Refsiréttarnefnd. Á vef Alþingis má sjá að í fyrradag skilar nefndin á...

https://frettin.is/2023/06/08/refsirettarnefnd-tekur-undir-umsogn-samtakanna-22-baelingarmedferdarfrumvarpid-fallid-um-sjalft-sig?fbclid=IwAR2684_B679uYvAA_qzSPnU8227nOfwJ1WZ3ltyu59aQHEKXPB4-OB_Q0e4

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Forester1 · 08/06/2023 18:33

More context?

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IWilloBeACervix · 08/06/2023 18:36

Eldur has been doing some amazing work in Iceland. I’ve really enjoyed listening to him when he’s been on podcasts, like The Queen’s Speech.

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DerekFaker · 08/06/2023 18:38

I'm trying to copy and paste a translated article, but when I paste all I get is this one section. Can anybody help?

of the media such as RÚV and Vísir is unfortunate"Yes, it's sometimes painful to sit under the fact that the state media talks about us, even tells lies and then doesn't answer us when we send them comments. We are " the underdog" in this. We do not have money machines , media giants and the public sector behind us. We are just gays and lesbians who feel that this rainbow fascism has gone way off the rails and to absolute extremes. This is not a human rights struggle anymore. This is a power struggle. The sooner people realize that, the better, Eldur concludes.

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Thelnebriati · 08/06/2023 18:39

This is a huge deal - can anyone translate the legal points into English?

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MrSand · 08/06/2023 18:58

Testing my copy & paste skills....

The Criminal Justice Committee accepts the opinion of Association 22 - the suppression treatment bill has failed by itself
the ferretJune 8, 2023 3:13 pmAlþingi , Inland , TransmálLeave a comment

Hanna-Katrína Friðriksson's bill regarding changes to the general criminal law, the so-called suppression treatment bill , has fallen on its own after receiving the coup d'état from the Criminal Justice Committee.

On Alþingi's website you can see that yesterday the committee delivered its opinion , but it was extremely doubtful whether the matter would be dealt with before the end of the session.

It is worth noting that the Criminal Justice Committee accepts all the views of the 22 organizations that fought the most against the bill.

The 22 Association, which is a new gay advocacy group, produced a detailed review of the bill, and how the entire bill lacked any definition of what it was intended to prohibit.

The association warned that health workers, workers in the education sector and even parents could be guilty of criminal conduct according to the bill as presented.

In an interview with Fréttina, Eldur Ísidór, who is the chairman of the association, said that he is very relieved: "Yes, this is a great and good victory for us. It caused quite a stir in November when we submitted our review and a lot of hostility towards us from across the queer community. However, we don't let it get to us."

Surprised by the working practices of the parliament and the way of working
"First of all, Hanna-Katrín proposed this bill last year, and we will then, under the auspices of the LGB team, begin to criticize it and point out exactly these things that we and the Criminal Justice Committee have now done. We were not spoken to, and the member of parliament blocks us, and me, and there is no interest in our views. The bill was not passed last spring and was then re-introduced this fall, completely unchanged, which is completely crazy. Then we couldn't sit back and had to do something about it," says Eldur.

Eldur also criticizes that the committee meeting they were invited to was held a day in advance, which is a short time when professionals such as experts in criminal law, health professionals and other stakeholders need to be brought together.

I think the complicity of the media such as RÚV and Vísir is unfortunate
"Yes, it's sometimes painful to sit under the fact that the state media talks about us, even tells lies and then doesn't answer us when we send them comments. We are "the underdog" in this. We do not have money machines , media giants and the public sector behind us. We are just gays and lesbians who feel that this rainbow fascism has gone way off the rails and to absolute extremes. This is not a human rights struggle anymore. This is a power struggle. The sooner people realize that, the better, Eldur concludes.

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Thelnebriati · 08/06/2023 19:05

''The association warned that health workers, workers in the education sector and even parents could be guilty of criminal conduct according to the bill as presented.''

Its really scary that people drafting legislation have to have this pointed out to them!

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Mollyollydolly · 08/06/2023 19:17

That's a huge achievement. Enjoyed listening to him on The Queens Speech a couple of weeks ago. He was helped by Dennis Kavanagh, James Esses and Stella O'Malley.

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nilsmousehammer · 08/06/2023 19:23

We are "the underdog" in this. We do not have money machines , media giants and the public sector behind us. We are just gays and lesbians who feel that this rainbow fascism has gone way off the rails and to absolute extremes. This is not a human rights struggle anymore. This is a power struggle.

How very well put.

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ResisterRex · 08/06/2023 19:35

This seems to be a good achievement, a David and Goliath moment. I'd be interested to know if any of the UK Big Charity sector tried to help on the pro-conversion therapy side? Or are they too busy tweeting vacuous, finger-wagging nonsense and did this pass them by?

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DerekFaker · 08/06/2023 19:36

Thank you, MrSand. I don't know why it wouldn't work for me.

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TUCKINGFYP0 · 08/06/2023 19:39

Well done Icelandic women ( and their allies ). Let’s hope that the proposed bill in Scotland goes the same way.

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WagnersFourthSymphony · 08/06/2023 19:41

"The 22 Association, which is a new gay advocacy group, produced a detailed review of the bill, and how the entire bill lacked any definition of what it was intended to prohibit."

TRAs live by blurred definitions and fail by them.

Well done, The 22 Association!

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IcakethereforeIam · 08/06/2023 19:45

Fantastic, sons and daughters of giant slayers!

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Ofcourseshecan · 08/06/2023 21:30

Very good news.

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Boiledbeetle · 08/06/2023 21:37

Each time one of these things fail we get a little closer to returning to normality

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PatatiPatatras · 08/06/2023 21:37

Victory for the LGB kids of Iceland!

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EpicChaos · 09/06/2023 01:18

Oh that's excellent. Very well done!

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xabia · 09/06/2023 09:39

Well done to the women of Iceland for protecting their children!

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ThatOnePlease · 09/06/2023 16:21

That's great news for LGB children in Iceland.

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ScrollingLeaves · 09/06/2023 19:39

"The 22 Association, which is a new gay advocacy group, produced a detailed review of the bill, and how the entire bill lacked any definition of what it was intended to prohibit."

It would be good to have a translated copy of their review in case they thought of something we hadn’t here, or in case they put a view across more persuasively. Even though the wording of their bill would no doubt be particular to them, there must be enough similarities in Iceland mean their review could be pertinent to the next version to go to parliament here.

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LowKeyLockee · 09/06/2023 23:07

The Bill passed according to the Parliament's website?

https://www.althingi.is/thingstorf/thingmalalistar-eftir-thingum/ferill/?ltg=153&mnr=45

Almenn hegningarlög

https://www.althingi.is/thingstorf/thingmalalistar-eftir-thingum/ferill?ltg=153&mnr=45

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DerekFaker · 09/06/2023 23:30

Update. All is not lost.

https://twitter.com/justgayice/status/1667224611195437057?t=lvANQJ3mLGqqxSEkvTlOjQ&s=19

Iceland Conversion Therapy Bill: Important Changes Made

Iceland Conversion Therapy Bill: Important Changes Made

Iceland Conversion Therapy Bill: Important Changes Made

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Dianbeatthis · 13/06/2023 01:00

So this was a premature celebration and the law actually passed?? All very confusing!

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PatatiPatatras · 13/06/2023 23:40

Sounds like it

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