Any other scientists feel like you are in an alternate reality?

[RockPaperScience]

I mean, seriously.

I’ve sequenced and karyotyped more X and Y chromosomes (and autosomes, I’m not picky) than I can count. How did we get to this sorry, ugly, baffling state of affairs of science and biology denial. I know we kind of know how, but I’ve had a glass of wine and WTAF is going on?

[InPraiseOfLadyGrey]

I don't find the whole thing confusing, maybe because I'm not a scientist, I do find it scary though. IMO gender ideology is emotional abuse. Where someone else typed something along the lines of "the cleverest TRAs alter language to bamboozle" etc, I read that in my head as "the most manipulative emotional abusers alter language to bamboozle" etc. That's how I see it.

Women fought for equality, men said "oh great now you're equal you can do everything that we do and also still do by yourself all the stuff you used to do, too".

Women fought some more for equality and men were like "our old methods to keep them down aren't working, we need to increase the abuse. Let's start ramping up with the part where we destroy everything they are, break down their entire identity, not on an individual woman basis but globally. Let's destroy everything that being a woman actually is, so they can't escape us ever and will have to return to being afraid of us and what we might do since they can see how totally we control the world and them".

Obviously this is not all men, but just as one rotten apple in the bag destroys the "apple-ness" of all the others and turns them into mouldy mush, so this segment of rotten male abusers turns the whole world into an unpalatable place.

[InPraiseOfLadyGrey]

Some people have an individualised personal reality. It's become a thing.

Is this not just a facy way of saying "some people are delusional"?

[Ethelfromnumber73]

Yep, along with every other medic and scientist that I know. It's true what they say about squeaky wheels though.

[InPraiseOfLadyGrey]

Oh sorry I got distracted before posting and partially failed to make my point, which is that just like with any abusers, this lot have got people globally trying to understand them, wondering whether they have a point, questioning our own logical factual scientific reality, questioning our reasonableness and trying to bend over backwards to accommodate the abuser's desires in the hopes that they'll stop using us. When what we should be doing is cracking down on it and not tolerating it.

[Artichokeleaves]

'Alternative facts' are a legacy of the Trump era. I'm reminded of the song Tim Minchin wrote lampooning it:

'If the facts don't fit my narrative I'll just invent alternatives'

It doesn't work. Objective facts, objective reality is the only way to have shared meaning on which to base a society on. There can be no obligation on one person to enable another to maintain an uninterrupted preferred narrative.

And yes, I can't put this in the terms I would prefer because of censorship on female people being too blunt in their pointing out of threats to their rights, and to democracy and civil rights in general.

[BigHuff]

Much like @GonadTheGaul, the definition of sex at my work place (biotech) is clear cut - people routinely talk of male and female and never ever has anyone said anything nonsensical about intersex/no sex/a spectrum, etc.

Our staff handbook is inclusive of trans people but does not avoid making references to women/female employees. Kudos to HR.

[Enough4me]

If there is a spectrum, does it start with XY and end at XX, so there is an imaginary centre?
X 1/2X & 1/2 Y

Or is the imaginary spectrum between three values XX, XY XZ?

Is there an imaginary scale, e.g. 75% X and 25% Y?

I'd like to see peer reviewed journal articles to qualify this BS amazing new spectrum. Not going to happen is it!

[DisappearingGirl]

You know what. It's not the fact that there are thousands of people on twitter or wherever who believe and promote this ideology.

After all there are thousands of people who don't believe COVID exists. There will always be thousands of people on twitter who believe any old nonsense.

It's the fact that our governments, health services, universities, schools, police services, academic societies and journals believe it (or say they do) and promote it.

If we can change that, I'll be happy!!

[NCBlossom]

I like a quote that says there are three sides to everything.

One view, an opposing view and then the truth.

I think that I believe that. I believe that there are objective truth’s that we get closer to.

[Enough4me]

One view, TWAW
Opposing view, TWANW
Truth, TWAM