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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Cervix-havers and birthing people: record of organisations replacing the word "woman"

55 replies

EssenceOfDittany · 11/02/2021 00:43

Just as with the "Have you ever ... ?" thread, which has become a brilliant resource to show anyone doubting the relevance of sex, I'd like to gather a list of organisations that have replaced the word "woman" with some reference to a female body part or bodily function.

I'm discovering that a lot of my woke-leaning (but relatively critically thinking) peers are simply unaware of what's been going on, and that part of the key to getting them on board is having enough evidence that they can't dismiss it with "but that's just an isolated case". This seems a great place to crowd-source that evidence.

Apologies if there's already a thread like this — do link it here. Otherwise, please share any examples you've come across!

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littlbrowndog · 11/02/2021 20:46

That is just gross fanny

Inhuman

Not even recognising they are mothers

littlbrowndog · 11/02/2021 20:47

I have this

Cervix-havers and birthing people: record of organisations replacing the word "woman"
Kendodd · 11/02/2021 21:06

Tell me, when a trans man (so a woman) gives birth, and they then go to register the birth, what happens then? I believe they're registered as the childs mother (?) How do they dance around the language on the birth certificates?

HermitsLife · 13/02/2021 10:45

Having fibroids and a black uterus sounds like an increadibly dangerous combination, a black organ sounds like a sign of necrosis.

www.bloodandmilk.com/how-fibroids-affect-your-sex-life/

Extra points for the unintended(?) irony at berating the very real racism in healthcare without actually refering to black women.

NiceGerbil · 14/02/2021 03:11

Black uterus havers?

Jesus.

stilllovingmysleep · 14/02/2021 09:29

@littlbrowndog

I have this
Pregnant and lactating people 😢. It makes me so sad to read that actually, as it woman is a dirty word.

Where is this picture from?

Anyoneelsewilldo · 14/02/2021 09:33

The HSE In Ireland Have not changed to women and trans men I’m afraid. Here are the entries for cervical cancer where there is only one mention of women which to be honest looks like a typo and prostrate cancer which is written normally

Cervix-havers and birthing people: record of organisations replacing the word "woman"
Cervix-havers and birthing people: record of organisations replacing the word "woman"
Cervix-havers and birthing people: record of organisations replacing the word "woman"
Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud · 14/02/2021 09:46

"the prostate is only in men" Shock @Anyoneelsewilldo - the equivalent for women would probably be classed as hate speech!

Butterbeeeen · 14/02/2021 09:46

I don't have a cervix but I'm still a woman.

Anyoneelsewilldo · 14/02/2021 09:49

Irish cancer society also. Men get not only mentioned but a lovely MEN sign in their section.

Unless you knew what a cervix was it could be a cancer for children from their information. Apparently 260 people a year get cervical cancer in Ireland.

Anyoneelsewilldo · 14/02/2021 09:49

Sorry with screenshots

Anyoneelsewilldo · 14/02/2021 09:50

And final men screenshot

Cervix-havers and birthing people: record of organisations replacing the word "woman"
Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/02/2021 09:50

Yes, of course not all women have a cervix. This is specifically because they have a congenital disorder of sex development or have had their cervix surgically removed. A cervix is a female body part, and a woman is an adult human female. So yes, most women have one.

ErrolTheDragon · 14/02/2021 09:52

@NiceGerbil

Black uterus havers?

Jesus.

Bloody hell. I've seen the 'menstruators' and 'people with a cervix' etc, but I'd been naively thinking that 'uterus-haver' was a parody of the dehumanising language rather than something anyone would actually commit to print. And obviously all the worse in this context.

I can't think of any other groups being referred to as xxxx-havers ... autocorrect tries to turn that to -haters, maybe for once it's got a point.

ErrolTheDragon · 14/02/2021 09:56

@Kendodd

Tell me, when a trans man (so a woman) gives birth, and they then go to register the birth, what happens then? I believe they're registered as the childs mother (?) How do they dance around the language on the birth certificates?
Google Freddie McConnell. Short answer - British law puts the right of the child (whose birth certificate it is) to accurate information above the want of the parent.
stilllovingmysleep · 14/02/2021 10:06

Apart from anything else, this "uterus havers" nonsense offends me on an English language basis

Butterbeeeen · 14/02/2021 10:10

I also don't have a uterus and to the best of my knowledge didn't replace it with a Penis so I'm guessing that I'm still a woman.

Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud · 14/02/2021 10:19

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Yes, of course not all women have a cervix. This is specifically because they have a congenital disorder of sex development or have had their cervix surgically removed. A cervix is a female body part, and a woman is an adult human female. So yes, most women have one.
Yes, this has been the case since the dawn of time, it's so much better for a woman to be called to screening and then receive appropriate medical care if she has an absent cervix, (presumably women who have already had their cervix removed will be acutely aware that they don't need to attend screening), than use dehumanising terms for all women, and also miss people who don't realise that they do have a cervix.
Kendodd · 14/02/2021 10:27

I also don't have a uterus and to the best of my knowledge didn't replace it with a Penis so I'm guessing that I'm still a woman.

I wonder if it's a case of, 'not all women have a uterus, but all 'uterus havers' are women' ?

weatherwarning · 14/02/2021 10:31

We are committed to protecting women’s
health and to always sharing information about
a person’s care with them. Our standards fell
far short of this during the CervicalCheck
audit, and for that we are deeply sorry.
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THE CERVICALCHECK AUDIT
CervicalCheck carried out an audit of women who had been
diagnosed with cervical cancer over the last 10 years. The audit
happened after their cancer was diagnosed and the purpose
was to evaluate the quality of the screening programme.
Not all of these women were told about the audit or that, in
some cases, the audit found that their screening test could
have provided a different result and recommended earlier
follow-up.
CervicalCheck did not withhold information that delayed
a diagnosis of cancer for any woman.
The HSE is working with the National Cancer Registry and the
Department of Health to identify any other women who had
cervical cancer during this time, who had a CervicalCheck test,
and should be included in the audit.
The HSE supports open disclosure and believes that
information should always be shared with patients relating to
their care. On this occasion our actions fell far short of our
values of care and compassion. This is not acceptable to us
and we are committed to learning from this and rebuilding trust
and confidence in the cervical screening programme.
The Government has indicated its intention to establish a
statutory investigation into these matters. We will comply fully
with this so that we can understand why this happened and
how we can improve.
CERVICALCHECK
Despite the failings in communication during the CervicalCheck
audit, the cervical screening programme is safe and effective.
We urge all women to routinely avail of routine smear checks to
protect their health.
• Over 3 million cervical screening tests have been performed
in Ireland since 2008, and over 50,000 cases of pre-cancer
and cancer have been detected and treated following
cervical screening.
• CervicalCheck tests are processed in three laboratories,
one in the USA and two in Ireland, all of whom have ISO
accreditation.
• No screening programme is 100% effective and it is
internationally recognised that all screening has a margin of
error. This is why women are called for screening at regular
intervals.
• Ireland is moving to a new type of cervical screening test
for HPV virus later in 2018, which will be more accurate
than the current smear test.
• Getting the HPV vaccine and attending for screening tests
when called are the best ways to protect women and girls
against cervical cancer.
Information about the CervicalCheck audit, and advice for anyone concerned, is being
updated daily on cervicalcheck.ie.
This week, women in Ireland have been understandably worried following the serious failings in the CervicalCheck audit. The HSE
wants to acknowledge this breach of trust and to urge women in Ireland to continue to take part in cervical screening, which is
a life-saving public health measure.

This is the apology the HSE issued for the cervical screening scandal. I think this was printed in 2017.
I wonder how it would be worded if printed now. Confused

ChakaDakotaRegina · 14/02/2021 10:41

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3939430-UN-Women-people-who-menstruate#prettyPhoto

The United Nations

HermioneWeasley · 14/02/2021 10:44

Today’s gem - black menstruators

Cervix-havers and birthing people: record of organisations replacing the word "woman"
Anyoneelsewilldo · 19/02/2021 09:53

In good news, I emailed the Irish cancer society about their wording and the woman who replies to me said they will change the wording to ‘women and people with a cervix’. I said I looked forward to seeing that and also that they would update the men’s section to ‘men and people with a prostate’

Anyoneelsewilldo · 19/02/2021 09:55

Oh and she also shared this link with me - women apparently gave feedback on new ‘gender neutral’ ie removes all mention of women, literature from cervical check. The feedback was (no surprises here) that they wanted to see the word women.

www.screeningservice.ie/news/news.php?idx=240