Suzanne Moore left the Guardian

[DialSquare]

I've just seen this on Twitter. That'll be even more lost readers then. Not that I'm one of their readers.

[BettyDuKeiraBellisMyShero]

@ArabellaScott

Primal Scream? Nice one Bobby and I'm not just saying that because I fancy you.

Bobby Gillespie once bought me a beer smug face

I say bought ME a beer, but what really happened was I bamboozled him into giving it to me.

Scenario:
1990s London
Pretty, long haired man standing alone by the bar in a trendy Smithfield’s venue, holding a beer in each hand.

Young Betty, brimming with confidence (but no cash) walks up, looks him dead in the eye and says, brightly ‘Ooh, is one of those for me? Thanks!’

Pretty long haired man compliantly hands over bottle, young Betty clinks it against his remaining beer, says ‘Cheers!’ and scuttles back to friendship group before he has a chance to change his mind.

Friend asks ‘Where did you get that beer from?’

Betty points at pretty, long haired man...

Friends, in unison ‘That man is Bobby Gillespie of
Primal Scream’

Betty drinks beer.

(and eventually types story on Mumsnet over 20 years later)

[LadyChappers]

*investigative journalism 🤦🏻‍♀️

[LadyChappers]

@midgebabe

Does private eye have a noticeable political leaning/bias?

@midgebabe I've read Private Eye for the best part of 30 years and I would say no (ish). They call out incompetence and cronyism when they see it - so usually more to focus on wrt whichever party is currently in government.
I say (ish) as they came out very strongly pro-Remain.
Private Eye is great. Covers a wide range of topics and is hilarious. They've been very vocal on the hypocrisy of the Left towards JK. They also cover Big Tech and data privacy really well. It's proper investigate journalism and campaigns against injustices (like the Post Office IT System scandal). It's brilliant.

[ArabellaScott]

Primal Scream? Nice one Bobby and I'm not just saying that because I fancy you.

[BettyDuKeiraBellisMyShero]

@IDanielRadcliffe

^ under that tweet somebody says terfs are the establishment!

They need to look at the Bank of England all lit up for trans visibility this week.

Can’t see them flying an ‘Adult Human Female’ flag any time soon, so it’s pretty clear terves aren’t the establishment!

[Abhannmor]

I hope she writes a book now!

[DialSquare]

My Dad lived in Hoxton as a child. Wasn't many hotels and trendy coffee shops around then!

[Abhannmor]

@RealityNotEssentialism

Hoxton not Horton!

Thanks ...I was a bit confused. Hoxton used to be a rough old spot where you'd be proud to say you got mugged -- as Alexi Sayle said of Stoke Newington . Just as dodgy now by the sound of it ..

[Helmetbymidnight]

primal scream! that is awesome!

[SunsetBeetch]

[quote nauticant]She's getting support from a very diverse group of people:

twitter.com/ScreamOfficial/status/1328631714424483841[/quote]
Interesting!

[MarieIVanArkleStinks]

I noticed Polly Toynbee's tweet, too. They'll be going for her jugular next.

[Rubidium]

I've no idea what the point of Owen Jones is any more. He used to be the voice of youth but now he's 36 and nearly twice the age of anyone currently at university that increaslingly doesn't apply any more. Having connections to the Corbyn leadership and Momentum was relevant before the 2019 General Election but now that Keir Starmer is in charge and Owen's mates are on the back benches, that's no longer a USP either. John Harris and Helen Pidd between them do the Red Wall stuff about the places Labour need to win back. Is Owen the voice of grumpy aging millenials who are still really annoyed about Tony Blair and Iraq?

[IDanielRadcliffe]

^ under that tweet somebody says terfs are the establishment!

[nauticant]

She's getting support from a very diverse group of people:

twitter.com/ScreamOfficial/status/1328631714424483841

[Mashingthecompost]

Thanks for so many suggestions - bookmarking this one. I'm not on twitter any more, but remember glosswitch from years back when I was, nice to be reminded of that one! I hardly comment on feminist threads - particularly with social media, I've been swept along too easily with polarising ideas and then looked around and realised things had gone to shit while I'd been constructing identities and ideals and being scared of the loudest shouters. I'm at a point now where I just feel like the more I see the less I know.

[Jintyfer]

@WellIWasInTheNeighbourhoo

I hope The Times snap her up, if they do I will subscribe.

Me too. 👍

[SunsetBeetch]

@thinkingaboutLangCleg

I didn’t know one of the people behind the disgusting Ripper museum, Linda Riley, was later appointed as the Labour Party’s chief LGBTQ adviser.
The Freedom News article recalls that the application to Tower Hamlet’s council stated The museum will recognise and celebrate the women of the East End who have shaped history, telling the story of how they have been instrumental in changing society. It will analyse the social, political and domestic experience from the Victorian period to the present day.

Not a commercialisation of a woman-killer. What a typically misogynistic choice by the Labour Party.

Linda Riley is really good mates with Dawn Butler, who has attended award ceremonies she has hosted, and has attended Pride London with her.

[TanteRose]

Oh no!
Suzanne made the Graun bearable - along with Hadders and Marina...

[Floisme]

Yes that is interesting from Polly Toynbee - not seen her comment at all before. I've also just read a further, longer tweet from Susannah Rustin, basically saying how much she regrets not supporting Moore more publicly.

Maybe some good will come from this after all.

[RoyalCorgi]

Polly Toynbee retweeted Susanna Rustin's supportive tweet and she also tweeted: "@suzanne_moore
Very many of us will miss you, your bravery, your willingness to stand up to bullies and your sheer brilliance as a writer. Sad day..."

Interesting, isn't it? I don't think I have ever seen Toynbee comment directly on the trans issue, but that seems a pretty clear statement to me. Starting to wonder if some women have just had enough now.

[thinkingaboutLangCleg]

I didn’t know one of the people behind the disgusting Ripper museum, Linda Riley, was later appointed as the Labour Party’s chief LGBTQ adviser.
The Freedom News article recalls that the application to Tower Hamlet’s council stated The museum will recognise and celebrate the women of the East End who have shaped history, telling the story of how they have been instrumental in changing society. It will analyse the social, political and domestic experience from the Victorian period to the present day.

Not a commercialisation of a woman-killer. What a typically misogynistic choice by the Labour Party.

[Floisme]

Matthew DAncona, John Harris and Marina Hyde have tweeted to support Suzanne. Harris and Hyde kept it fairly low key: 'Great writer' / 'I'll miss her' kind of thing. DAncona went further and pointedly commented on the importance of allowing room for diverse opinions. It's quite instructive to see which Guardian writers are supporting her and which ones are pretending nothing's happened.

[Rubidium]

Apart from Hadley Freeman, who else is there standing up for women?
Sean Ingle on the sports desk has written some good articles questioning the participation of transwomen in female sport.

[MoreJammyDodgersPlease]

Another former Guardian reader here, I just wanted to say well done Suzanne.
Like many, I've held on too long in a toxic work environment and the relief on being out of there is amazing.

[RoyalCorgi]

Both Catherine Bennett and Nick Cohen write for the Observer, of course. At the Guardian, I think it's just Hadley and Susanna Rustin. Have always been disappointed that people like Marina Hyde, John Crace and John Harrison haven't written anything about the issue, but I can see why they find it safer to keep quiet.