Joint statement from Barnardo’s, NSPCC, National Children’s Bureau and The Children’s Society about gender clinic judicial review

[Toomie]

I've just seen that Barnados along with NSPCC and others have released this joint statement.


www.barnardos.org.uk/news/joint-statement-barnardos-nspcc-national-childrens-bureau-and-childrens-society-about-gender

[Tootletum]

Denying then agency?? Sorry what? Isn't that also why they are viewed as being below the age of criminal responsibility? Why does the same reasoning not apply? If children are such great judges that they have full autonomy, then why not let them also drive, vote, get married, and go to adult prison with adult sentencing. Since apparently they have agency.

[TerribleCustomerCervix]

Denying them agency has the potential to compound this and can put them at high risk of mental illness

Controversial, but I’d suggest that someone who wishes to medicate themselves long term, sterilise themselves and put their healthy body through radical surgeries is perhaps not particularly robust mentally in the first place

[Whatisthisfuckery]

This doesn’t feel like normal acceptable behaviour to me. Do charities who aren’t directly involved usually release highly emotive and manipulative statements during a live judicial review? You’d think if they’d wanted to be an intervener in the case they would have done it by the correct legal channels.

[Packingsoapandwater]

What the absolute fuck?

On matters of health treatment all children have the right to be listened to independently and have their wishes taken seriously – this includes children and young people who identify as trans and who may be undergoing hormone treatment therapy

Basically, they are saying that any child who wishes to appear as the opposite sex has the the right to sterilise themselves, even though they won't actually understand this implication because they are too young.

Denying them agency has the potential to compound this and can put them at high risk of mental illness and emotional distress, potentially affecting their long-term future.

This is, again, the "give the kids what they think they want or else" threat. No mention that transition itself has implications that affect health and their long-term future.

we also know that with the right support from the adults in their lives,

Notice it doesn't say "parents" or "family members", but "adults in their lives".

These charities have declared themselves to be against the principles of the safeguarding of children. They ought to be investigated, because this shit is unreal now.

What the fuck is going on?

[NiceGerbil]

Good to see I don't give financial support to any of them.

What with this sort of thing and the recent appalling scandals around sexual misconduct and sex crimes and covering it up etc, it's getting tricky to find charities who seem ok...

[happydappy2]

Do they believe anorexic children have the 'right' to starve themselves to death?

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

Some sensible person has archived it
http://archive.is/OhJuhh^

Good idea.

[Datun]

Basically, they are saying that any child who wishes to appear as the opposite sex has the the right to sterilise themselves, even though they won't actually understand this implication because they are too young.

And they are not telling anybody WHY.

Why should they have this treatment?

Where is the evidence of what causes gender dysphoria, and what long term effects hormone treatment has.

[NecessaryScene1]

Didn't the NSPCC change something in the wording of one of their glossaries such that it suggested abuse was now dependent on the feelings of the child? Basically implying it was only abuse if they didn't like it. (References, anyone?)

This would at least be consistent with that world view of how to treat children.

I don't really want to have a horrible opinion of all these organisations, but it seems that every single time they're given a chance to demonstrate that they are actually taking their responsibilities seriously they instead present themselves as utterly incompetent, or worse.

[NiceGerbil]

Yes they did

I'm sure someone has a link

[Kit19]

Reading that I just feel really sorry for Keira and any child currently caught up in gender woo

all the major childrens charities they could approach for help will just reaffirm to them that they're trans and if they're parents aren't supporting them then they are denying them "agency"

I mean FFS!

[Kantastic]

Okay the emphasis on how you shouldn't deny children's "agency" in the same paragraph with the bit about how much support, understanding and acceptance children need makes my skin crawl. It's like something a pedophile might say in a pro-pedophilia argument.

[Arcadia]

I give to Barnados monthly. Should I contact them about this or just cancel DD?

[Deltoids1]

The trouble is these organisations gain substantial financial input from peddling gender ideology in some shape or farm. For example, Barnado's runs the LGBTQ+++ youth support service on behalf of our council. If they didn't stand up for it, a significant cash cow disappears form view.

[Kit19]

yep Deltoids its common in the voluntary sector - chasing money to run services that arent your core business to either top slice of the contract to go into central funds or to keep in with local counsils in the hope/expectation of getting/keeping more contracts

[NotAGirl]

@Arcadia

I give to Barnados monthly. Should I contact them about this or just cancel DD?

Please contact them to tell them why you are cancelling your DD

[RozWatching]

@NecessaryScene1

Didn't the NSPCC change something in the wording of one of their glossaries such that it suggested abuse was now dependent on the feelings of the child? Basically implying it was only abuse if they didn't like it. (References, anyone?)

This would at least be consistent with that world view of how to treat children.

I don't really want to have a horrible opinion of all these organisations, but it seems that every single time they're given a chance to demonstrate that they are actually taking their responsibilities seriously they instead present themselves as utterly incompetent, or worse.

Some refs here
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3725552-NSPCC-Again?pg=1

[HumphreyCobblers]

Just when I thought I was beyond being surprised by any development in this whole sorry mess, along pops another shocker.

[OnCandyStripeLegs]

I didn't expect much of the NSPCC but I did of the rest of them.

So a 35 year old mother of 4 cannot have a hysterectomy or breast reduction despite a long medical history of endometriosis and back pain in case she changes her mind - but an 18 year old can have both because she's said the magic word trans?

[RozWatching]

Sorry, duff link
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3725552-NSPCC-Again

[highame]

Schools and the influence of Stonewall in them will shortly have come to an end. Hopefully this means a reduction in the number of kids going down this route and greater awareness for parents. Parents are the ones who will really make a difference.

[CharlieParley]

@NecessaryScene1

Didn't the NSPCC change something in the wording of one of their glossaries such that it suggested abuse was now dependent on the feelings of the child? Basically implying it was only abuse if they didn't like it. (References, anyone?)

This would at least be consistent with that world view of how to treat children.

I don't really want to have a horrible opinion of all these organisations, but it seems that every single time they're given a chance to demonstrate that they are actually taking their responsibilities seriously they instead present themselves as utterly incompetent, or worse.

Yes, they came to my son's primary school and did this. One of my friends, who thinks I've gone bonkers over self-id absolutely lost it over that. She sat in on the session as she's volunteering at the school. She was in a relationship as a teen that she only much later understood was abusive, framing child abuse as something the child experiences as abusive and teaching this to young children is horrifically irresponsible. It really should be actionable, but it seems we have no recourse.

[LadyIronDragon]

That is some scary reading. To fundamentally bypass the issues to that extent is terrifying. I can't work out if it's woke ignorance or some other, scarier, agenda.

FFS I love our local Barnardos shop and donate all our old kids stuff there, my kids get to spend £5 in there and go wild... no longer.

[NiceGerbil]

The nspcc having statutory powers though adds a whole other level.