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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Irish women - literary wokeness

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notyourhandmaid · 03/10/2020 11:45

“I think transwomen are women, transmen are men, and trans rights are human rights,” she says. “I find it deeply distressing that this targets a group who we all know have a higher incidence of violence and suicide. I really don’t understand why people [who call themselves feminists] have an issue with them. It’s like Flavia Dzodan says: my feminism will be intersectional or it will be bulls**t.” - Sinead Gleeson in today's Irish Times (www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/sin%C3%A9ad-gleeson-i-wanted-it-to-be-a-mix-of-canonical-and-contemporary-1.4361654)

Not a surprise to see this but a tad depressing that someone who writes about the female body and anthologises women's short stories goes into slogan-mode here.

"When I try to draw Ahern on the challenges of writing a woman of colour, especially these days when writers are under scrutiny like never before, often employing “sensitivity readers” to avoid causing offence, she is cautious. I go on to mention JK Rowling and John Boyne as writers who have been criticised in recent times for aspects of their work, but she does not want to offer a view except to say that kind of attention is not something she “goes after”."

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Sundries · 05/10/2020 17:53

@irishfeminist

Goosefoot, I despair constantly at the lack of real discussion. We had the painful decades of culture wars - the 1980s in particular felt like the country was tearing itself apart - and now it's as though we've settled into a cosy consensus where everything is self-evident, the good guys have defeated the bad guys and nothing ever needs to be discussed ever again. It's like a collective brain death.

Exactly. At least we knew we had allies in the 80s!
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Cailleach1 · 06/10/2020 11:00

Interesting, I was deleted for pointing out the belief that some people maintain that not only is changing sex possible for humans, but that some people also maintain that changing their sex identity is possible on a regular, yet part-time basis. To and fro.

Rather like Philip/ Pippa Bounce (Credit Suisse director who won a woman's award and has participated in articles published about them) who ids as a woman part-time (as Pippa). Bounce, (as Philip) also ids as a man part time. Bounce has promoted this belief of his publicly and courted publicity.

Hence, I just went along with the logical conclusion of that belief. If one wishes to acknowledge someone's belief that humans transitioning from sex to another is possible, and also that it can also be temporary (see P. Bounce), then I just stated that you can't presume from one minute to the next how someone identifies themselves.

Is the person who reported my post 'transphobic' if they disagree with this?

Did they object to the fact I acknowledged that some people believe humans can transition from one sex to another?

Or did they object to the fact I acknowledged the belief of people like P. Bounce who identifies as one sex for a certain amount of time and then identifies as the other sex for a certain amount of time?

So, someone can demand their belief that transitioning from biological sex is acknowledged as possible.

Someone can also demand that this belief that humans can transition to the other biological sex be acknowledged on a part time basis.

Yet this is weaponised against someone who takes that on board and says the logical conclusion of that belief is that one cannot presume for anyone how they identify at any given time.

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/gender-fluid-exec-named-on-list-of-top-100-women-in-business-a3942896.html

Of course, some women weren't happy with this and were of the wrong belief. But they aren't cosseted or pandered to as they are, well merely women

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6197705/City-workers-hit-gender-fluid-banker-works-days-Philip-Pippa.html

I do hope this reality doesn't offend anyone's beliefs. I stated verifiable facts and those articles I linked to are public newspapers. Any particular person I mentioned courted publicity and advertised themselves as being of the belief they maintain. People who were offended would literally be offended by facts in the public domain. As publicly promoted by a part time transgender Credit Suisse director. Then maybe direct any disagreement about this belief at those who maintain it.

Is the true crime a thought one as I personally don't believe this credo?

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