Unlikely allies? Hammond, May and Clarkson!

[Lexilooo]

Really never thought I could envisage talking positively about The Grand Tour in FWR....... but episode 4 of the current series seems to suggest that James May and Richard Hammond may have been peak transed!!

Discussion started with May talking about self ID saving money on car insurance by IDing as a lady with no need to "exchange the beef torpedo for the silken purse" and moved on to Hammond talking about self ID at the local swimming pool.

I guess they are no strangers to controversy so probably won't be too concerned about being called transphobes.

[Horsewithnom]

Thank you for all the replies about GL - all makes sense.

Would it be fair to say then that the TRAs will not go after the Three Car Men because they (the TRAs) are cowards/don't have the stomach for it?

[DpWm]

^ Oops sorry lol totally misread that

[DpWm]

My suspicion is that they are actually anti anyone being trans - which isn't exactly the feminist position

Feminists aren't "anti anyone being trans"

[Manderleyagain]

Snowbear yes I agree sorry just said the same but longer!

[Manderleyagain]

It might be that Linnehan has got stick because otherwise he seems to be left of centre and feminist. I think those on the liberal/left who speak about this will get more stick because they are seen as apostate, and there seems to be less tolerance of difference of opinion there than on the right atm.

Had he already pissed off a certain type because of gamer gate (which I know nothing about)? mtf seem to be over represented in tech, gaming, anime interest areas?

Clarkson et Al have barely dipped a toe in, and would be expected to take the socially conservative 'it's political correctness gone mad with added snow flakes' view anyway.

I was pleasantly surprised by their discussion of women in motorsports because I was expecting the worst! Has their series been axed by amazon? Seems a shame even though I spend the whole episode rolling my eyes at the overgrown children.

[snowbear66]

To me it makes perfect sense and refects the views of most Conservative, Times reading men ( Cameron & Clerkson were friends).
They enjoy controversy and may have be enjoying new freedoms speech now they are not at the BBC

[HotpotLawyer]

(Clarkson anyway. May and Hammond always seem like more reasonable human beings)

[HotpotLawyer]

Hmmm.

My suspicion is that they are actually anti anyone being trans - which isn't exactly the feminist position.

As in they are pretty anti anything 'politically correct', which would include people being Trans.

But haven't seen it, so can't judge.

[RockyFlintstone]

TRAs know that if they tried to target those three they would get absolutely roasted alive. I mean can you imagine if they published say Richard Hammonds wifes details in the way they did Linehan's, there would be outrage!

These three have much wider audience and reach, especially amongst Joe Public, and the TRAs just wouldn't go there.

Plus, Glinners association with MN makes him a much easier target, whereas I'm sure that the other 3 would still largely dismiss MN as

[DoctoressPlague]

Blokey blokes who mostly talk about cars get a free pass because TRAs worship gender stereotypes. Glinner is too caring and women-centric for their liking.
Plus Hammond, May and Clarkson aren't tweeting about Mermaids etc.

[ErrolTheDragon]

Linehan maybe already was in the sights of anti-women's rights activists because of his and his wife's involvement in the Irish repeal the 8th campaign.

[BlahXXBlah]

Also I suspect glinner came to TRA attention via twitter and other already under the microscope feminists.

[BlahXXBlah]

They are fairly untouchable, give good screen face and have safety in numbers.

Linehan was targeted by across the pond TRAs primarily, I am guessing they were never huge Father Ted fans to begin with.

[Lexilooo]

I guess in part they were genuine about women in motor sport because they have seen first hand how good they can be, and because Sabine Schmitt would kick their arses if they weren't

At the end of the day they are pretty impervious to any criticism and have survived various scandals including accusations of racism so they probably aren't too worried what people think of their gender comments. Plus woke types and trans-women aren't exactly their target demographic........

[Horsewithnom]

They are wealthy white middle aged men. They can say what they like about who they like and no one really cares, and even when people do care they don't give a fuck.

Then why is Graham Linehan targeted?

He seems to tick all of the above boxes.

[notanothernam]

@SpartacusAutisticusAHF yes it did feel genuine, I guess because we know they'd only say what they want to say!

[Lottapianos]

There are some seriously WEIRD feminist allies in this fight Nick Ferrari, Piers Morgan, now the Top Gear lot!

[TimeLady]

I'm not a fan of that trio, but they reach a different demographic, and it might just make some of their audience think twice if they read/watch something related in the news.

[AornisHades]

There have been a few little references to the gender madness. I think I've counted 3 in all.

[RockyFlintstone]

They are wealthy white middle aged men.
They can say what they like about who they like and no one really cares, and even when people do care they don't give a fuck.

[thenightsky]

Ah yes... they were discussing the utter stupidity of putting men into women's prisons just because they said they were women.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3503127-Grand-tour

[thenightsky]

Lexilooo I'm pretty sure its not a duplicate. I think the one I saw was near the beginning of conversation street and it was (I think) either Ep 2 or Ep 3.

[notanothernam]

I've been very impressed with them this season!

[Manderleyagain]

Yes I was pleasantly surprised the discussion on women in racing wasn't sexist and stupid. It was pretty sensible.