Janice Turner - article in the Times about Mermaids

[feministfairy]

Excellent column from Janice:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-ideologists-are-spreading-cod-science-m8n0pdbq3?shareToken=eb2c06153578d29f71c393769844ab17

And Lucy Bannerman / Gabriella Swerling covers the the Martina story:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/navratilova-trades-volleys-with-trans-athlete-in-twitter-row-zhc0tq0bl?shareToken=9f16b69427d0ce67f3dc77392f6eae37

Well worth my subscription!

[Katvonbatshit]

Thanks Janice
Hubbie just brought the Times and I'm leaving it open in the loo where DD2 will see it. DD2 thinks I'm overreacting over this.

No DD2 it's the biggest child protection issue going.

[MsMcWoodle]

Liverpool Resisters. Very interested. Can you DM?

[hipsterfun]

I hope RM realises what a prize twat they are and retreats back to competing against men.

RM will get their arse kicked though. We know it, RM knows it.

[boldlygoingsomewhere]

The Times has done great investigative writing on this issue. Well done, Janice!

[ErrolTheDragon]

Hilda - re sharetokens, do you use the website, tablet app or mobile app? I've only managed to work out how to do it in the iPad app - one of the icons down in the right hand corner, then choose whichever medium you want but to just get the link use mail and then c&p from there.
(I believe c&p'ing sharetoken links posted on here would work, don't know if there's any copyright/legal reason not to, if you're a subscriber anyway at least.)

[Datun]

LiverpoolReSisters

All you can do is copy and paste a link. Or a screenshot, using the paperclip icon.

Or just say if there is anything worrying in them?

[frazzled1]

Thank you Janice and team.

And thank you whoever got the recording of theMermaids 'training' session. Bonkers. Dangerous ideology based on sexist stereotypes. And jellybabies.

If Mermaids are so convinced by their cod science they should be delighted this training session recording is out there. I hope it's heard widely and by the Big Lottery Fund.

[Badstyley]

Janis 1 - punches pulled 0

That is a fabulous article. Thank you Janis.

Haven’t read the other one yet but will do in a bit when I get time.

[LiverpoolReSisters]

Someone just emailed us Mermaids accounts for year end 31 March 2018. If anyone is interested - don't know how to share a document here.

[happydappy2]

Janice well done. More pressure needs to be put on the IOC to make a ruling regards transwomen competing against women-the 2020 olympics are fast approaching.
I hope RM realises what a prize twat they are and retreats back to competing against men.

[HildaSnibbs]

Just want to add my THANK YOU JANICE and Lucy Bannerman and Andrew Gilligan for all your excellent writing on this, today's article was excellent and when I figure your how to use the share token thing I will be sharing it.

[MsMcWoodle]

Agreed. A couple of people have said so but no response from him - also recent increase in numbers esp young girls.

[Datun]

Yes, Giles needs to wake up. As Janice says, they are small, but influential. It's not about the number, it's about the effect.

[MsMcWoodle]

Giles Coren has responded

@gilescoren
34m34 minutes ago
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With you all the way, of course. Question though: You’ve written it for “men who style themselves etc.” But how numerous are they? Surely - surely! - it’s a few hundred weirdos who come pre-ridiculed (Matina’s prime troll has barely 4,000 followers) - are they really significant?

[Datun]

jelly baby faith

🤣🤣🤣

[DisrespectfulAdultFemale]

I am glad to see the comments are massively in favour of Ms Turner and Ms Navratilova.

Fuck off, MacKinnon, and take Mermaids with you.

[DisrespectfulAdultFemale]

I wrote this for all the men who style themselves as rational & scientific yet chide feminists as “transphobic” for pointing out dangerous unscientific ideology Mermaids spread about gender- nonconforming kids

That describes an acquaintance of mine perfectly. He calls himself a "scientist" while accusing women who don't believe that tw are women as "bigots".

[teawamutu]

God that's a good article. And the comments are so encouraging. Is the tide turning at last?

[AngryAttackKittens]

What, journalists doing investigative reporting and having what they've discovered printed in a national newspaper? It's an outrage! The job of journalists is to attach their names to barely edited regurgitations of our press releases.

(Serious nods all around from Mermaids and Friends Of Mermaids.)

[Popchyk]

Julie Bindel replies to Janice:

"Are you on the right side of history for Christmas this year Janice? I am trying to be, but I'm not sure which of the tube lines goes there".

David Baddiel chimes in:

"I’m starting to worry I might have to get a replacement bus"

[Popchyk]

Janice on Twitter:

I wrote this for all the men who style themselves as rational & scientific yet chide feminists as “transphobic” for pointing out dangerous unscientific ideology Mermaids spread about gender- nonconforming kids. Please pause your knee-jerk wokeness & THINK

twitter.com/VictoriaPeckham/status/1076394748900978688

[NotTryingHardEnough]

The comments under the Mermaids FB response are laughable. 'Why do journalists insist on being sooo horrible?'

Just a little thing called, you know, facts

[Juells]

Eugenics. When you boil it down, it's advocating sterilising those who don't conform in their early years.

Between the thirties and seventies 60,000 young Swedish women were sterilised. A (Danish) friend's thesis was on the subject of eugenics in Denmark, and he found that many women were sterilised just because they were prostitutes. The current attack on non-conforming teenagers may present as being different, but it originates from the same attitude of forcing everyone to fit the social norms, and if they don't they'll be 'fixed'.

[userschmoozer]

Excellent article, but Janice missed out a pertinent part of the quote by Susie Green;

twitter.com/i/web/status/1059817455395237888

''Marci Bowers saying surgery should be allowed based on competency NOT age of majority. Psychological assessment should not be needed for surgery as this is not required for cisgender surgeries of ANY type.
Removal of the sterilisation clause is key''

The 'sterilisation clause' protects children from being sterilised for non essential surgery. Susie Green wants to have that protection removed.

[Bowednotbroken]

Another brilliant piece from Janice - thank you!