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Go Julie Bindel!!

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imnolaidee · 18/03/2018 08:17

Did anyone see Julie Bindel on Sky News discussing the Self-ID article in the Fail: dailym.ai/2GE7nYT

Thank you Julie!!!

Noted Steve D's uncomfortable demeanour when you did.

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Greensmurfterf · 20/03/2018 08:45

If the procedure is demedicalised as Teresa May suggested they'll be no NHS provision for genuine transgender people.

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Fairenuff · 20/03/2018 08:07

This view from a transperson (don't know what gender they identify with) shows how important a thorough debate is.

Although this person is in favour of self ID they also seem to want medical intervention.

None of this has been thought through properly so it's really important for everyone that proper consultations are held.

'If people are wondering why I'm talking so much about transphobia in the UK at the moment, here are some events you may not have heard about that have all happened in the past few months, and some medical facts (please share):

Under pressure, the government backed down from their promise that trans people could self-identify instead of having to spend hundreds of pounds to send a complex dossier to a panel of judges who’ve never met you, who decide what gender you “really” are.

A group of transphobic “feminists” are touring the country, holding meetings where they sit around and denigrate trans women in the name of “debate”. These meetings often include a speaker who just goes through a powerpoint full of images of transgender women and insults them. (there's footage).

The same group were invited into the Palace of Westminster (Parliament) on the 14th of March and held a meeting there, a meeting where transgender people were (illegally) banned, and, in the heart of our democracy, dead named, misgendered, and called trans women “parasites” and not only did no newspapers report it, nothing has been done to oppose or condemn it, despite complaints made to MP's and Parliament itself.

Trans people, and trans children, are being doxxed, and their information shared with the intent of targeted harassment and hatred.

The CEO of the UK’s biggest charity that supports trans and gender non conforming children and their families has had to call in the police because of the amount of hate crimes and threats she has received.

Transphobic women are “self identifying” as trans to swim topless at men’s swimming sessions to protest laws that were passed 18 years ago, and which apparently are a threat to women. This ridicules the struggles of so many transgender people.

A Transphobic group has created a "resource" for schools, which directs schools not to support transgender young people because they'll just grow out of it.

The national press publish a transphobic article almost daily now, and despite having to print retractions, continue to do so. There's a huge trend in hatred, and it's not going anywhere.

Transphobes recently flooded a Scottish government consultation on trans rights, sending in multiple responses, pretending to be all kinds of people, trans, cis, medical professionals, teachers, parents, in order to sabotage our rights.

It’s become almost impossible to source gel testosterone and nobody knows why (it took me visiting eight pharmacies in two cities to get just half my prescription). Many Transgender people have no other hormones in their bodies except for the ones they take, being unable to access necessary medication is catastrophic to their health.

According to the most recent data one in five GP's will still refuse to prescribe hormones to a transgender person, despite being told to by specialists. Many trans people are scared to move GP's as they may suddenly be refused treatment after many years, catapulting their health into disarray.

There's no NHS wide guidelines on how to treat trans patients, and very little training, leading to confusion, disrespect, and danger for them - this is SO important as there's more trans patients in Britain than there are patients with severe arthritis, and there's training and guidelines for that.

There's a fight to remove the legal protections transgender people have under the 2010 Equality Act.

On the NHS the current wait times between a referral and a first appointment at a Gender Identity Clinic (necessary to get any treatment) are a minimum of 9 months, rising to 4 years at some clinics. It takes about 6-9 more months before any medical intervention, and a minimum of three years for any surgery, unless you go privately.

I could go on, but I think you get the picture.

So, how can you help?

Any time you encounter transphobia, make it very clear you find it unacceptable, be that online, or in person, there are only so many fights we can fight, and constantly justifying our existence is exhausting. You can also report it if it's on social media.

If you have transgender friends, just occasionally remind them that you love and support them, it can be easy to forget that we're supported when the hatred is shouted so loudly.

Inform yourself on transgender issues, I'm happy to answer questions from friends on complex issues, but some trans people just don't want to talk about it, and none of us want to spend our lives explaining the basics when google exists.

Stop buying newspapers which publish outright transphobia - currently the most notable are the Daily Mail, the Times, and the Sunday Times.

Remember, trans people are just people trying to exist in this world, just like you. We eat and read and sleep, and waste too much time on Netflix, just like you. Being transgender isn't all we are, and we shouldn't be discriminated against and hated because of it.

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Weezol · 19/03/2018 20:05

I think it's worth a second look at the article in the DM. More comments have been published.

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CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 19/03/2018 18:10

Exactly that. I told my mum about it and she just sat there going 'but no darling you must be wrong, that can't be true'. And my dad laughed and said 'it's never going happen'

I do think he's right. It will never happen, but that will be because we campaigned and got it noticed. The tories have already kicked it into the back of beyond.

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Fairenuff · 19/03/2018 18:05

The lack of resistance to this isn't because people wholeheartedly support it, it's because no one knows about it!

And they think it will never happen. It sounds so far fetched and ridiculous that people just dismiss it.

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TheGoldenBough · 19/03/2018 04:45

When I read the article/comments, there were 15. All along the lines of "how silly! What if men start doing this too?" and "ridiculous! I'm sure if they do men only sessions they must do women only too"

This goes to show that the majority of people just don't have a clue that this is happening or what it means.

The lack of resistance to this isn't because people wholeheartedly support it, it's because no one knows about it!

How can a law that is set to impact upon 50% of the population directly be do unheard of..?

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washthoseclothes · 18/03/2018 22:33

Well done to those two women GrinWineBrewSmileSmileSmile

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needmorespace · 18/03/2018 18:32

Yes again!
Well done both those women and JB
More incidents like this are needed to raise this issue to those who are not 'woke' yet.
Where I live, there are women only swim sessions for orthodox jewish women - I wonder whose rights are top trump if a TIM tried to maneovre into their swim space?

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AnyFucker · 18/03/2018 18:14

Yes

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CadyHeron · 18/03/2018 18:10

I don't get why they're so mad about women self ID'ing too.
Surely that's what people for self ID'ing WANT?
Why does it only work one way? Are we all expected to just shut up and let it happen?

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AngryAttackKittens · 18/03/2018 18:05

So boobs are "offensive" but cocks and balls aren't, eh? So telling. Women, please kindly and understandingly accept whatever shit is thrown at you, since your spaces don't matter anyway. Men, your spaces are sacred, how dare some woman take herself and her boobs into them?

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AnyFucker · 18/03/2018 17:26

Julie B rocks

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BlackeyedSusan · 18/03/2018 17:17

Someone posted a link to Julie on Twitter and the bloke looked really uncomfortable.

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LondonPainter · 18/03/2018 15:52

I bloody love Julie Bindel. I wish she could always be on telly when this issue is being debated. Could have done with her on the Daily Politics today for a bit of balance!

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Vickxy · 18/03/2018 13:47

Anyone would think that the mail might have an agenda too (just not sure what it is)

I think the mails agenda may be...those batshit crazy feminists!

Like, the best rated comments seem to be along the lines of 'feminists want men to have nothing for themselves' and such. Regardless of the wording in the article, the men reading seem to have taken it as women trying to stop men only sessions out of spite. Rather than as retaliation.

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YippeeKiYayMelonFarmer · 18/03/2018 13:01

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ChoccyJules · 18/03/2018 12:52

He really didn't get it did he?! At pains not to let Julie be seen as anything other than a silly sideshow. I just retweeted her links, so that's me Out on Twitter GrinShock

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TerfyMcTerface · 18/03/2018 12:49

Is t there some sort of minimum intelligence threshold for presenters? Or requirement that they get up to speed on issues before they get in front of the camera for a given show? Surely there should be?

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TerfsUp · 18/03/2018 12:47

The male Sky presented did not get it. At all.

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TerfsUp · 18/03/2018 12:44

The Indy article is brilliant. And they linked to the petition! I am so pleased.

So far, it's The Mail, The TImes and The Indy who have covered it. Resounding silence from that rag, The Guardian. The Guardian cannot die a horrible, financially humiliating death soon enough.

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Childrenofthestones · 18/03/2018 12:12

Just been to the Daily Mail site article.
Now much higher proportion of comments are now pointing out why she is doing this and the stupidity of self defining .

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OvaHere · 18/03/2018 11:59

Great Independent article. Well done Olivia and Julie.

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NoSquirrels · 18/03/2018 11:16

Fucking aye! The Indy have linked the petition GrinGrin

I’ve found their coverage of this stuff shit up to now - using “CIA” in headlines etc. Glad to see this.

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imnolaidee · 18/03/2018 11:12

You people have inspired me - just felt compelled to say that.

My DP peaked trans'd me and I'm grateful. But you lot took me to new heights on the mountain of peak trans.

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